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Thread: ‘A Lever to Harass China’: US Protests Hong Kong Security Law

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The Brits have already said they are accepting 300,000 Hong Kongers and are getting them UK passports. I imagine it is the connected people. The US should do the same.
    Encouraging the migration means helping China to occupy Hong Kong. maybe some rich people can migrate abroad, but ordinary people can't leave their homes and jobs behind, especially when COVID-19 and economical crisis have made the life hard for citizens of Britain and USA. even if they allow the ordinary people of Hong Kong to migrate there, they won't be able to find jobs and will be treated badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Javad View Post
    Encouraging the migration means helping China to occupy Hong Kong. maybe some rich people can migrate abroad, but ordinary people can't leave their homes and jobs behind, especially when COVID-19 and economical crisis have made the life hard for citizens of Britain and USA. even if they allow the ordinary people of Hong Kong to migrate there, they won't be able to find jobs and will be treated badly.
    China is already starting the arrests. There is no risk in running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Javad View Post
    Encouraging the migration means helping China to occupy Hong Kong. maybe some rich people can migrate abroad, but ordinary people can't leave their homes and jobs behind, especially when COVID-19 and economical crisis have made the life hard for citizens of Britain and USA. even if they allow the ordinary people of Hong Kong to migrate there, they won't be able to find jobs and will be treated badly.
    I don't think ordinary citizens are in the 300K.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    All but the last were during the Cold War.
    So what? did all evils in the world died with USSR? besides, the old cold war is over, there is a new cold war going on between USA, Russia, China and their allies. if the old cold war justified those old crimes, the new cold war justifies the new ones; and as long as capitalism exists there will always be cold and hot wars.

    Even after the fall of USSR, USA has supported the most backward and dictatorial regimes, such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, Pakistan, Egypt, Turkey, Azerbaijan and others.

    What difference is between Hong Kong and Rojava (northern Syria)? Turkey has occupied some regions of northern Syria. it has destroyed the democratic government which people had build there and installed some mercenary jihadist groups (who are merely smaller versions of ISIS) as rulers of that region. why doesn't USA support people's protection units of northern Syria who fought side by side with American soldiers against ISIS and leaves them alone against the occupiers? because of the political and economical ties which it has with Turkey. So, whenever USA's interests require, it supports the most backward and criminal forces of the world against the most democratic and progressive forces. the same goes for any other capitalist country.

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    During the Cold War the US was less concerned about whether its allies against the Soviets were good democracies or not. That is understandable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Javad View Post
    So what? did all evils in the world died with USSR? besides, the old cold war is over, there is a new cold war going on between USA, Russia, China and their allies. if the old cold war justified those old crimes, the new cold war justifies the new ones; and as long as capitalism exists there will always be cold and hot wars.

    Even after the fall of USSR, USA has supported the most backward and dictatorial regimes, such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, Pakistan, Egypt, Turkey, Azerbaijan and others.

    What difference is between Hong Kong and Rojava (northern Syria)? Turkey has occupied some regions of northern Syria. it has destroyed the democratic government which people had build there and installed some mercenary jihadist groups (who are merely smaller versions of ISIS) as rulers of that region. why doesn't USA support people's protection units of northern Syria who fought side by side with American soldiers against ISIS and leaves them alone against the occupiers? because of the political and economical ties which it has with Turkey. So, whenever USA's interests require, it supports the most backward and criminal forces of the world against the most democratic and progressive forces. the same goes for any other capitalist country.
    A lot of what the US did after the end of the Cold War was to spread democracy by the sword. I am not a fan of that. We can support human rights causes without invading places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Javad View Post
    So what? did all evils in the world died with USSR? besides, the old cold war is over, there is a new cold war going on between USA, Russia, China and their allies. if the old cold war justified those old crimes, the new cold war justifies the new ones; and as long as capitalism exists there will always be cold and hot wars.
    Capitalism's existence the reason we have no more world wars, you're exactly wrong but only by the full 180 degrees. Again....People.....the historical perspective/knowledge on this forum....is f'n abysmal. Wow.

    Even after the fall of USSR, USA has supported the most backward and dictatorial regimes, such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, Pakistan, Egypt, Turkey, Azerbaijan and others.
    But mostly supported freedom and capitalism.

    What difference is between Hong Kong and Rojava (northern Syria)? Turkey has occupied some regions of northern Syria. it has destroyed the democratic government which people had build there and installed some mercenary jihadist groups (who are merely smaller versions of ISIS) as rulers of that region. why doesn't USA support people's protection units of northern Syria who fought side by side with American soldiers against ISIS and leaves them alone against the occupiers? because of the political and economical ties which it has with Turkey. So, whenever USA's interests require, it supports the most backward and criminal forces of the world against the most democratic and progressive forces. the same goes for any other capitalist country.
    Capitalism and western culture the reason you speak English and have the freedom to make the mistakes you're making. You've every right to be wrong and you're making the most of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Capitalism's existence the reason we have no more world wars, you're exactly wrong but only by the full 180 degrees. Again....People.....the historical perspective/knowledge on this forum....is f'n abysmal. Wow.



    But mostly supported freedom and capitalism.



    Capitalism and western culture the reason you speak English and have the freedom to make the mistakes you're making. You've every right to be wrong and you're making the most of it.
    Capitalism is the best system . It's also the easiest to corrupt .....which is what most people have a problem with (except those who do the corrupting ) What the world is dealing with is a capitalist system suffering out of control corruption , with corrupt people in charge of it .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Javad View Post
    USA doesn't care about the people of Hong Kong, it just uses Hong Kong protests in order to put some pressure on China. if China and USA reach some kind of agreement, those who pretend to be sympathetic for Hong Kong, will drop their act.

    yes we understand you said you were a commie . Its up to people of China and Hong Kong to struggle for democracy. their struggle should be supported by democratic and progressive forces all over the world. revealing the true face of false sympathizers of Hong Kong is a part of this struggle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    Capitalism is the best system . It's also the easiest to corrupt .....which is what most people have a problem with (except those who do the corrupting ) What the world is dealing with is a capitalist system suffering out of control corruption , with corrupt people in charge of it .

    o yes plo we all see how how honest Russia russia and china are lol . to get by in russia you have to offer pay offs at the lowest level and china just sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    Capitalism is the best system . It's also the easiest to corrupt .....which is what most people have a problem with (except those who do the corrupting ) What the world is dealing with is a capitalist system suffering out of control corruption , with corrupt people in charge of it .
    What????

    If you want corruption you need look no further than Socialism and Communism.

    Capitalism has a self fix for corruption it is called competition.

    Now in the USA we are becoming more and more socialist, and that is breeding all kinds of corruption. When the Government picks the winners and losers instead of the market, that is where the corruption comes in.

    Ain't Socialism GREAT

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