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Thread: Health Officials: Trump Rally 'likely' source of virus surge

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    The official does not post ONE FACT, he has an Opinion
    He is a health professional. He therefore gave his professional opinion. But let's be honest. Did we really need a health professional to piece together what happened?

    He also states that there were SEVERAL large gatherings NOT just the Trump Rally
    How big were those other gatherings? 25? 50? 100? The rally had thousands of people. 6,200 to be exact. And a recent spike in rural surrounding areas is a further indication that the rally is responsible according to another health official.

    So do you have any FACTS not an OPINION
    Facts? Yes.

    The President held the largest indoor gathering in the entire country since the beginning of the pandemic in a hot zone. Lots of people shouting and chanting in close proximity (which helps spread aerosolized droplets to others), practically no masks, and zero distancing. AKA a "super spreader event". Shortly thereafter a sudden spike in cases occurred. Who knew that would happen? (besides everyone)

    Like I always say: Republicans suck at detective work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    I am going to give you a Big Chance to Prove that you are sincere Here is a little fun fact about a Liberal Governor on the VP Short list and a Presidential Candidate.

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...45D388F81E410C

    This is Three Days before our Gov Started to shut down the State and force businesses to close.....

    What do You think, Should they have closed this down???
    I don't have all the details. what was the date? was there adequate testing available?

    How much did we know at the time? In hindsight probably he should have canceled. But did we know how bad things were that time?


    Trump had absolutely no excuse for not knowing the consequences of holding a super spreader event in a hot zone. He is incapable of caring. He only wants what he wants and doesn't care how he gets what he gets. do you doubt that ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    What, a couple of hundred cases?
    you said the new cases were ages 18-30


    were you talking about the new cases in Tulsa? Or were you talking about the new cases nationwide?


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    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    Well lets have a look and see
    230,346
    +9,782
    Deaths
    2,918
    +105
    Recovered
    118,326
    +5,042
    Texas
    Confirmed
    18,496
    +603
    Deaths
    410
    +3
    Recovered
    14,100
    +562
    Oklahoma
    Confirmed
    112,671
    +4,057
    Deaths
    2,038
    +75
    Arizona
    Confirmed
    232,718
    +8,932
    deaths
    4,009
    +119
    Recovered

    Florida
    Confirmed
    402,338
    Deaths
    32,283
    +64

    New York

    I think it is amazing when you have a Governor that does not put infected people into the nursing homes to spread the virus and boost the body bag count. How low the death counts can be.

    Compared to New York, MI, NJ, PA, IL CA These Conservatives are armatures when it comes to being the grim reaper
    You are showing total deaths since the beginning of the pandemic. Early on before we understood what was happening, states with large, tightly-packed urban centers, which also tend to serve as transit hubs, were most susceptible to the spread. Urban centers always tend to be Democratic.

    But NOW, we can no longer claim ignorance as an excuse. And in these enlightened times Republican states dominate the list of top 10 worst states with the most new deaths and new cases:


    Most new deaths per capita
    New Jersey
    Mississippi
    Arizona
    South Carolina
    Florida
    Texas
    Nevada
    Virginia
    Tennessee


    Most new cases per capita
    Arizona
    Florida
    Louisiana (mostly red)
    South Carolina
    Texas
    Alabama
    Georgia
    Nevada
    Mississippi
    Idaho


    deaths .jpg
    new cases.jpg


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    see post #37. (and yes the dirt dumb thing applies to your argument as well)
    So you DO reject reality and common sense. Fascinating.
    When Donald Trump said to protest “peacefully”, he meant violence.

    When he told protesters to “go home”, he meant stay for an insurrection.

    And when he told Brad Raffensperger to implement “whatever the correct legal remedy is”, he meant fraud.

    War is peace.

    Freedom is slavery.

    Ignorance is strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    So you DO reject reality and common sense. Fascinating.
    Uh no. stop projecting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    you said the new cases were ages 18-30


    were you talking about the new cases in Tulsa? Or were you talking about the new cases nationwide?
    No response from @MisterVeritis

    I guess that means the 18-30 spike was nationwide, not Tulsa, and he has no legs to stand on in this argument.


    VERDICT: Trump rally is likely cause of spike in cases.


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    Speaking to the Justice Department on Dec. 27, 2020. Conversation memorialized in then-acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue’s contemporaneous notes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    Be serious.
    Outdoor gatherings in wind and sunlight while many if not most are wearing masks are less likely to spread covid than indoor gatherings were practically no one is wearing a mask.

    More importantly, are you aware of any protests of 10,000 people (or even 500 people) in Tulsa?
    Maybe the rally had a detrimental effect in Tulsa (I'd assume it's actually likely that it did). But I wouldn't discount as easily that BLM protests didn't play a role, elsewhere, contributing to the increase in national numbers. Your argument about sunlight and winds is reasonable but I saw plenty of protests by night too, and so densely packed that it wouldn't matter much if there is wind; people were still breathing into each other. I also saw on TV plenty of BLM protesters without masks, not to forget that the cloth masks and in many case bandanas that people were wearing are not that effective in filtering out the very small SARS-CoV-2 (thus my advocacy for seal-enhanced ASTM-grade procedure masks, instead).

    Me, I think BOTH political rallies and protesting crowds are unreasonable in a time of a pandemic, and BOTH will increase the contagion.

    Singling out only one of these types of events, in my opinion, would be a double-standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    No response from @MisterVeritis

    I guess that means the 18-30 spike was nationwide, not Tulsa, and he has no legs to stand on in this argument.


    VERDICT: Trump rally is likely cause of spike in cases.
    Beats me. It didn't seem important. 10k people not including protesters got together for an afternoon versus about a million rioting, looting arsonist members of the Democrat party destroying everything in their path for more than a month...
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    I don't have all the details. what was the date? was there adequate testing available?
    How much did we know at the time? In hindsight probably he should have canceled. But did we know how bad things were that time?
    Trump had absolutely no excuse for not knowing the consequences of holding a super spreader event in a hot zone. He is incapable of caring. He only wants what he wants and doesn't care how he gets what he gets. do you doubt that ?
    What about the BLM Rallies the ones it Tulsa for sure


    Now I know that I suck but looks like more than 25 to 100 people here?

    But this does not fit the Orange Man Bad narrative so I understand

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