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    Taxes

    I work. I pay taxes so that others may benefit from my work.

    Let's see.... I pay taxes that the government collects, so it can pay for people's healthcare, so they can come to my hospital and pay my wages out of the money the government collects from people like me.


    (1) How much should one person have to contribute to the tax coffers? I say 10% from every person max.

    (2) How much should one person expect to receive from the tax coffers to pay for their healthcare brought on by their person choices?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perianne View Post
    (1) How much should one person have to contribute to the tax coffers? I say 10% from every person max.
    That's so racist!

    There is some interesting work on the optimal size of government and economist Richard Rahn suggests that the optimal size of government is between 15-25% of GDP. If you find that theory compelling, then naturally society would pay an aggregate tax rate of 15-25%.

    Over the course of time I have tended to have said 25% of GDP.

    As a percentage of my income, for ALL government, I think 25% is fair, I think 40% is still at the outer edge of that, but 56% is just absolutely f'in insane.

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    I don't think the American people should pay any "income tax". All government funding should come from either sales tax or tariffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perianne View Post
    I work. I pay taxes so that others may benefit from my work.

    Let's see.... I pay taxes that the government collects, so it can pay for people's healthcare, so they can come to my hospital and pay my wages out of the money the government collects from people like me.


    (1) How much should one person have to contribute to the tax coffers? I say 10% from every person max.

    (2) How much should one person expect to receive from the tax coffers to pay for their healthcare brought on by their person choices?

    Yeah, we need a different, much simpler tax system. This has come up before. I was in favor of a consumption tax back then. I guess I still am.

    The IRS crap is just getting too deep. It is almost unintelligible to me any more, and the states, of course, basically copy IRS accountants' papers. I mean, don't they? Probably just as they did back in grade school. LOL.
    Last edited by Lummy; 07-09-2020 at 06:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    I don't think the American people should pay any "income tax". All government funding should come from either sales tax or tariffs.
    The system, US gov, was initially designed to be run, off of imports and exports. But it was small and didn't consume much. some folks paid "income taxes" but they tended to be rich business men and their business. They could also tax alcohol, firearms (imported), and tobacco. Elected federal officials were also required to "fill the trough" they fed at. In most areas of the earlier days, there was no sales tax, and property taxation has always been in dispute.
    Now we have today, a behemoth of a government that has the ability to tax income classes out of existence. You can only tip the scales so far over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    I don't think the American people should pay any "income tax". All government funding should come from either sales tax or tariffs.
    Yes. Tax consumption, not productivity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perianne View Post
    I work. I pay taxes so that others may benefit from my work.

    Let's see.... I pay taxes that the government collects, so it can pay for people's healthcare, so they can come to my hospital and pay my wages out of the money the government collects from people like me.


    (1) How much should one person have to contribute to the tax coffers? I say 10% from every person max.

    (2) How much should one person expect to receive from the tax coffers to pay for their healthcare brought on by their person choices?
    Do you pay for police and fire protection? Do you pay for highway department, the library, recreation dept, EMS squad, Sanitation? Or the local public hospital? Most importantly do you receive these services if you require them?

    You should know that most millionaires would complain loudly about having to fork over 10 percent of their earnings since it would be a rather sizable amount, especially for local taxes (I think most hospitals are also paid from either a local or county level).

    Keep in mind that those who have no money will pay no money, so if your plan is to get everyone to pay this 10% tax, it's going to backfire miserably.

    Your best bet would be to push for total elimination of the federal income tax and replace it with a sales tax; that way everyone contributes.
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    Fire departments and many other services are funded through a levy voted on by the tax payers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamewell45 View Post
    ...You should know that most millionaires would complain loudly about having to fork over 10 percent of their earnings since it would be a rather sizable amount,.....
    You should know that they fork over much more than that now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    You should know that they fork over much more than that now.
    I would assume in state and federal taxes; I'm talking about local taxes. They'd really holler if more was paid.
    God Bless America, God Bless our Military and God Bless the Police who defended the country against the insurgents on January 6, 2021

    Think 3rd party for 2024 folks. Clean up America.

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