Germany, 1939

[Adelaide]

What you say has merit. All of what you say plays a role no doubt, and from what I can see on the internet at least, Ashkenazi Jews have an average IQ of 110, which would put them slightly ahead of East Asians(105) and whites,(100) so that plays a role I'm sure too. The issue is that their are 10 million of them in a world with 7 billion people, which puts them at about 0.14 of the worlds population. You're talking about a little more than a tenth of a percent of the worlds population dominating entertainment, banking, the justice system, etc, some of the worlds most powerful and wealthy sectors in the world. Even if what you say holds truth, and I believe it does, there is no way that happens with the Jewish community putting themselves over everyone else. And if you look back throughout history, including pre WW2 Germany, this is what they've done. Not all of them of course, but a very significantly percent of them. It's just impossible for 10 million people to dominate the way they do without a very deliberate community first based plan and action.

And I also do appreciate you not being offended and having an open discussion. Make no mistake, I don't hate Jews, nor am I saying that all of them engage in those sorts of practices, just that it's very relevant, both historically and even today.

Those 15 million Jews are highly concentrated in very specific areas, with some outliers. More than 50% are in the United States with over a million in New York City (followed by Jerusalem, LA and Tel Aviv). As with most diaspora, there are pockets that develop into communities that do help enable the kind of rise being seen. Do you think Jews would be as wealthy and powerful if they were proportionally scattered around the world and within every country? Do you think they would have survived the 20th century that way? The US and Israel were safe havens, along with some other major cities.

Of course, there is going to be a certain amount of nepotism by anyone in business, finance, and so on. Small and large businesses get passed down through families, and sure, Aunt Sarah's kid just graduated from Columbia with a finance degree so it seems probable that kid will be at the top of a shortlist. Do not get me started on the racket that is higher education and legacies, but I'm sure that also comes into play after many generations of highly educated Jews filter through the system.

I really do not think that it exceeds that of other demographics, and I think the larger cultural features contribute more to the outcomes today. I think it is important to recognize that when so many people simply want to stereotype and perpetuate myths. The idea of a massive conspiracy of Jews conspiring in media, entertainment, and banking seems based in stereotypes derived from the cultural values that I've mentioned. There's some truth, but I don't think many people bother to ask why with a willingness to see beyond the stereotypes.

... I do think there is definitely a concerted effort by elites to push a pro-Israel agenda, but that is not a pro-Jewish agenda. Most North American Jews do not view Israel the way the rest of America seems to think we do.

I know you don't hate Jews.

[Perianne]

Thank you @Adelaide and @othermods for not shutting down this good thread. Jews can be discussed among adults, whether or not they agree.

My point in starting this thread was to get people to open their minds and think about the state of Germany before Hitler and what had been accomplished by 1939. I think the German people probably started doubting Hitler in the early 1940s, but by then it was too late.

I would have been a huge Hitler supporter in 1939, and I suspect most on here, whether or not they admit it, would have been, too.

I asked a friend, who is a big supporter of all things Jewish, how he would feel if Antifa were rounded up and put in prison. He said he would be for it. I told him THAT is how many in Germany felt about the Jews, that they were ruining and sabotaging all things ethnically German. So, the German populace turned a blind eye towards the roundup and imprisonment of Jews, "for the good of the country", so to speak.

It was wrong what the Nazis did to the Jews, but I understand the thinking.

[Lummy]

The story of the holocaust that I heard in school is not the entire picture. Not sure what the entire picture was, however.

This is a good thread, sans the deflections and distractions.

[Peter1469]

Every group prefers their own, the hiring statistics prove it, but nowhere near to the extent that Jews do.

Pointing out the obvious isn't envy, it's just pointing out the obvious. If the white majority engaged in what Jews do, no one other than whites would have any job worth a $#@!. Hell, even if blacks did it, the world would look very different. It's just reality. I don't make the rules, I just call it how I see it.

I agree if whites did what Jews do it would result in a lot of employment discrimination lawsuits. But Asians do it too, although in much less profitable businesses such as Asian restaurants.

[roadmaster]

Thank you @Adelaide and @othermods for not shutting down this good thread. Jews can be discussed among adults, whether or not they agree.

My point in starting this thread was to get people to open their minds and think about the state of Germany before Hitler and what had been accomplished by 1939. I think the German people probably started doubting Hitler in the early 1940s, but by then it was too late.

I would have been a huge Hitler supporter in 1939, and I suspect most on here, whether or not they admit it, would have been, too.

I asked a friend, who is a big supporter of all things Jewish, how he would feel if Antifa were rounded up and put in prison. He said he would be for it. I told him THAT is how many in Germany felt about the Jews, that they were ruining and sabotaging all things ethnically German. So, the German populace turned a blind eye towards the roundup and imprisonment of Jews, "for the good of the country", so to speak.

It was wrong what the Nazis did to the Jews, but I understand the thinking.

You don't have to go back in History, look at today in the US. A person either sides with Antifa or law abiding citizens.

[Standing Wolf]

I agree if whites did what Jews do it would result in a lot of employment discrimination lawsuits. But Asians do it too, although in much less profitable businesses such as Asian restaurants.

While having been refused employment for not being Asian might be legally actionable, employers in those particular kinds of situations can usually make a good case that certain employees need to be able to speak, for example, Chinese in order to communicate with other employees or with customers who only speak that language. When I was living in Hawaii I discovered that speaking Japanese was a requirement to work in many of the downtown Honolulu businesses catering to tourists simply because the Japanese constitute such a large percentage of the tourist trade there. It was a Bona Fide Employment Qualification. The percentage of native-born Americans, even including those of Japanese descent, who speak Japanese is extremely small. Given that, an American who can speak Japanese (or Chinese) fluently is going to be able to obtain a much better job than working in a restaurant or souvenir shop.

[jet57]

Thank you @Adelaide and @othermods for not shutting down this good thread. Jews can be discussed among adults, whether or not they agree.

My point in starting this thread was to get people to open their minds and think about the state of Germany before Hitler and what had been accomplished by 1939. I think the German people probably started doubting Hitler in the early 1940s, but by then it was too late.

I would have been a huge Hitler supporter in 1939, and I suspect most on here, whether or not they admit it, would have been, too.

I asked a friend, who is a big supporter of all things Jewish, how he would feel if Antifa were rounded up and put in prison. He said he would be for it. I told him THAT is how many in Germany felt about the Jews, that they were ruining and sabotaging all things ethnically German. So, the German populace turned a blind eye towards the roundup and imprisonment of Jews, "for the good of the country", so to speak.

It was wrong what the Nazis did to the Jews, but I understand the thinking.

Uh, Hitler and his minions believed that Jewish interests were ruining Germany, and people began to doubt Hitler during the night of broken glass, the night of the long knives and the fire at the Reichstag.

There are a host of Hitler documentaries on Netflix that you might enjoy. 😁

[roadmaster]

Um Antifa wanted to defund the police back then. The Germans stood for law and order and bring back traditional German values. Real History is not on Netflix. You ever notice the more and more people wake up the more movies they push. LOL