Stars turn hydrogen into everything else. Easy Peasy.
With one response you have convinced me you are not smart enough to remain in this conversation. You also proved you are
unaware that you are not smart enough. Have a great day.
Any time. No gods were harmed in the creation of the elements.
Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.
No gods were required. Just time, heat, and pressure. Early stars forced hydrogen into helium. Stars of varying sizes converted lighter elements into heavier elements. After a certain amount of violence all the elements we see today were created and flung widely across the Universe. Humans are star-stuff.
Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.
This argument can never be won. There is always one step backward in time and creation to look for.
Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.
Jag,
You type out so much evidentiary text you seem to be creating a one sided argument from the start. It's almost as if to say men have "no free will" that only God is in control. If you think about it that isn't true.I'll read the rest of the thread, but that's been my impression of your posting style.
To answer your question:
It's easy to look at the world through the lens of biology, where life emerges from primordial soup. After all we have evidence that ages have gone by in terms of millions of years and that man has been here for millions of years and in different forms such as Cro-Magnon and the like.
We can see from dna maps that we've migrated around the globe.
We have dinosaurs fossils.
We have created all sort of things as you suggested in your post out of the world resources.
Then we have religion. Every society of people has a story or religious practice that's evolved and at one time this kept the peoples together
because we didn't have all this communication to find out about what other peoples were doing.
I find it kind of odd really that someone who is religious can't imagine how those that aren't or (haven't found it yet) explain their world.
The world is right here. It's real. It has resources and we study and create.
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Karma is "do it yourself."
That is a Faith belief.
You can not prove with Empiricism that no gods were harmed in the creation of the Universe.
I agree with you on that by the way --- that no gods were harmed -- but I can't prove it either.
And that's okay --- cause you believe a ton of stuff that you can't prove to be true at the certainty-level of 2 + 2 = 4
Best
JAG
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Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.
My Opening Post does not even slightly suggest that men have no free will.
Thanks for your comments.
I read what you wrote very carefully.
Nothing that you wrote has any connection with my Opening Post.
My Opening Post provides some reasons why the world's some 5 billion Theists
believe that the world was created by an Intelligent Designer.
If you do not believe that ---that's just peachy fine okay.
Take another peek at my Opening Post and see if you can find anything
in it like you are talking about up there.
Remember to only "go on" what I ACTUALLY say and NOT on your "impression" of what you think I say. Thanks.
Best
JAG
How Do Atheists Explain The Incomprehensible Variety Of The World's Material Objects?
JAG Writes:
You go into a Super Walmart Store and you go into a Super Mall,
like The Mall Of America, and you look at what is on the shelves.
You pause and reflect upon the numerous varieties of raw materials
used to make the hundreds of thousands of material objects found
in those stores and in the world at large --- from paper clips to huge
ocean going cruise ships and aircraft carriers and Boeing 747's.
You pause and think about the almost unfathomable number of
material objects humans have made from the raw materials (eg.
steel, copper, iron) that go into the construction of all the
infrastructure that makes up all the buildings and skyscrapers
in all the cities of the entire world. New York City, London, Atlanta,
Paris, Brussels, and many thousands of other cities and towns
worldwide. .
You stop and reflect upon the millions of different kinds of material
objects that have existed and do now exist throughout the
world --- objects that allow us to both do the world's work and
to relax and enjoy life.
Do you believe that all that above was produced by non-intelligent
natural processes? Many millions of human beings find that to be
incredible.
Here are some raw materials and some objects that man made from raw
materials. Do you believe that non-intelligent natural processes produced
or made possible all of this?
Lead, tin, copper, bauxite, iron ore, raw latex, crude oil, coal, cotton,
trees, granite, gems, mercury, zinc, glass, paper clips, rubies, chemicals,
potassium, topaz, diamonds, titanium, nickel, plastics, paper, jasper,
lumber, natural gas, minerals, steel, corn, grain, gasoline, milk,
vegetables, fish, meat, dairy products, fruit, sapphires, cell phones,
computers, refrigerators, concrete, etc
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The world of untold millions of different kinds of raw materials and physical
objects made by humans from those raw materials, and the way they
co-exist together allowing humans to build the modern world as it exists
today --displays a staggering amount of Intelligent Design.
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It is unreasonable to believe that all that up there was produced by
natural processes and not produced by an Intelligent Mind, an
Intelligent Designer, God.
"In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth."__Genesis 1:1
JAG