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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardMZhlubb View Post
    This is exactly right. There are well-proven and easily explainable scientific bases for the formation of all elements, and the formation of various solids from these elements. It's amazing how billions of years of natural processes can produce complex substances and objects, but all of it is perfectly explicable through science and without divine intervention.
    All of which might have required God...or not.
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    Stars turn hydrogen into everything else. Easy Peasy.

    With one response you have convinced me you are not smart enough to remain in this conversation. You also proved you are
    unaware that you are not smart enough. Have a great day.
    Quote Originally Posted by JAG View Post
    Thank you so much for that.
    I really appreciate it.
    I could feel the love and compassion as I read your comment.
    It made me feel really good.
    You have a "way with words"
    Thank you again for your kindness.
    Thank you for wanting me to have a great day.
    It meant so much
    I hope you too have a great day.

    God Bless

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    Any time. No gods were harmed in the creation of the elements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    All of which might have required God...or not.
    No gods were required. Just time, heat, and pressure. Early stars forced hydrogen into helium. Stars of varying sizes converted lighter elements into heavier elements. After a certain amount of violence all the elements we see today were created and flung widely across the Universe. Humans are star-stuff.
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    This argument can never be won. There is always one step backward in time and creation to look for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina73 View Post
    This argument can never be won. There is always one step backward in time and creation to look for.
    There is no argument. We know how it happened.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Jag,
    You type out so much evidentiary text you seem to be creating a one sided argument from the start. It's almost as if to say men have "no free will" that only God is in control. If you think about it that isn't true.
    I'll read the rest of the thread, but that's been my impression of your posting style.

    To answer your question:

    It's easy to look at the world through the lens of biology, where life emerges from primordial soup. After all we have evidence that ages have gone by in terms of millions of years and that man has been here for millions of years and in different forms such as Cro-Magnon and the like.

    We can see from dna maps that we've migrated around the globe.

    We have dinosaurs fossils.

    We have created all sort of things as you suggested in your post out of the world resources.

    Then we have religion. Every society of people has a story or religious practice that's evolved and at one time this kept the peoples together
    because we didn't have all this communication to find out about what other peoples were doing.

    I find it kind of odd really that someone who is religious can't imagine how those that aren't or (haven't found it yet) explain their world.

    The world is right here. It's real. It has resources and we study and create.



    Quote Originally Posted by JAG View Post

    JAG Writes:

    You go into a Super Walmart Store and you go into a Super Mall,
    like The Mall Of America, and you look at what is on the shelves.


    You pause and reflect upon the numerous varieties of raw materials
    used to make the hundreds of thousands of material objects found
    in those stores and in the world at large --- from paper clips to huge
    ocean going cruise ships and aircraft carriers and Boeing 747's.


    You pause and think about the almost unfathomable number of
    material objects humans have made from the raw materials (eg.
    steel, copper, iron) that go into the construction of all the
    infrastructure that makes up all the buildings and skyscrapers
    in all the cities of the entire world. New York City, London, Atlanta,
    Paris, Brussels, and many thousands of other cities and towns
    worldwide. .


    You stop and reflect upon the millions of different kinds of material
    objects that have existed and do now exist throughout the
    world --- objects that allow us to both do the world's work and
    to relax and enjoy life.


    Do you believe that all that above was produced by non-intelligent
    natural processes? Many millions of human beings find that to be
    incredible.


    Here are some raw materials and some objects that man made from raw
    materials. Do you believe that non-intelligent natural processes produced
    or made possible all of this?


    Lead, tin, copper, bauxite, iron ore, raw latex, crude oil, coal, cotton,
    trees, granite, gems, mercury, zinc, glass, paper clips, rubies, chemicals,
    potassium, topaz, diamonds, titanium, nickel, plastics, paper, jasper,
    lumber, natural gas, minerals, steel, corn, grain, gasoline, milk,
    vegetables, fish, meat, dairy products, fruit, sapphires, cell phones,
    computers, refrigerators, concrete, etc

    `
    The world of untold millions of different kinds of raw materials and physical
    objects made by humans from those raw materials, and the way they
    co-exist together allowing humans to build the modern world as it exists
    today --displays a staggering amount of Intelligent Design.

    `
    It is unreasonable to believe that all that up there was produced by
    natural processes and not produced by an Intelligent Mind, an
    Intelligent Designer, God.

    "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth."__Genesis 1:1

    JAG
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    Now this is some spiritual thinking that isn't necessarily religious. I like this middle of the road open to the universe type of mindset!


    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Who is doing the judging, in terms of complexity and abundance? Again, mortal beings, with very limited vision and experience and a vested interest in thinking themselves and their world to be the center of the universe and the last word in complexity and abundance. Dolphins may very well be more intelligent than humans, and yet all they require to live full and happy lives is water to swim in and a steady food supply. There may well be beings in the universe who transcended the need for physical bodies millennia ago and would think no more of you and me than we consider the dust mites living on our mattresses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post

    No gods were harmed in the creation of the elements.
    That is a Faith belief.

    You can not prove with Empiricism that no gods were harmed in the creation of the Universe.

    I agree with you on that by the way --- that no gods were harmed -- but I can't prove it either.

    And that's okay --- cause you believe a ton of stuff that you can't prove to be true at the certainty-level of 2 + 2 = 4

    Best

    JAG

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    No gods were harmed in the creation of the elements.
    Quote Originally Posted by JAG View Post
    That is a Faith belief.
    You can not prove with Empiricism that no gods were harmed in the creation of the Universe.
    I agree with you on that by the way --- that no gods were harmed -- but I can't prove it either.
    And that's okay --- cause you believe a ton of stuff that you can't prove to be true at the certainty-level of 2 + 2 = 4
    Best
    JAG
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    No gods were harmed as no gods exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystical Man View Post
    Jag,
    You type out so much evidentiary text you seem to be creating a one sided argument from the start.

    It's almost as if to say men have "no free will" that only God is in control. If you think about it that isn't true.

    I'll read the rest of the thread, but that's been my impression of your posting style.

    To answer your question:
    It's easy to look at the world through the lens of biology, where life emerges from primordial soup.
    After all we have evidence that ages have gone by in terms of millions of years and that man has
    been here for millions of years and in different forms such as Cro-Magnon and the like.

    We can see from dna maps that we've migrated around the globe.
    We have dinosaurs fossils.

    We have created all sort of things as you suggested in your post out of the world resources.

    Then we have religion. Every society of people has a story or religious practice that's evolved and at one time this kept the peoples together
    because we didn't have all this communication to find out about what other peoples were doing.

    I find it kind of odd really that someone who is religious can't imagine how those that aren't or (haven't found it yet) explain their world.

    The world is right here. It's real. It has resources and we study and create.

    My Opening Post does not even slightly suggest that men have no free will.

    Thanks for your comments.

    I read what you wrote very carefully.

    Nothing that you wrote has any connection with my Opening Post.

    My Opening Post provides some reasons why the world's some 5 billion Theists
    believe that the world was created by an Intelligent Designer.

    If you do not believe that ---that's just peachy fine okay.

    Take another peek at my Opening Post and see if you can find anything
    in it like you are talking about up there.

    Remember to only "go on" what I ACTUALLY say and NOT on your "impression" of what you think I say. Thanks.

    Best

    JAG

    How Do Atheists Explain The Incomprehensible Variety Of The World's Material Objects?


    JAG Writes:

    You go into a Super Walmart Store and you go into a Super Mall,
    like The Mall Of America, and you look at what is on the shelves.


    You pause and reflect upon the numerous varieties of raw materials
    used to make the hundreds of thousands of material objects found
    in those stores and in the world at large --- from paper clips to huge
    ocean going cruise ships and aircraft carriers and Boeing 747's.


    You pause and think about the almost unfathomable number of
    material objects humans have made from the raw materials (eg.
    steel, copper, iron) that go into the construction of all the
    infrastructure that makes up all the buildings and skyscrapers
    in all the cities of the entire world. New York City, London, Atlanta,
    Paris, Brussels, and many thousands of other cities and towns
    worldwide. .


    You stop and reflect upon the millions of different kinds of material
    objects that have existed and do now exist throughout the
    world --- objects that allow us to both do the world's work and
    to relax and enjoy life.


    Do you believe that all that above was produced by non-intelligent
    natural processes? Many millions of human beings find that to be
    incredible.


    Here are some raw materials and some objects that man made from raw
    materials. Do you believe that non-intelligent natural processes produced
    or made possible all of this?


    Lead, tin, copper, bauxite, iron ore, raw latex, crude oil, coal, cotton,
    trees, granite, gems, mercury, zinc, glass, paper clips, rubies, chemicals,
    potassium, topaz, diamonds, titanium, nickel, plastics, paper, jasper,
    lumber, natural gas, minerals, steel, corn, grain, gasoline, milk,
    vegetables, fish, meat, dairy products, fruit, sapphires, cell phones,
    computers, refrigerators, concrete, etc

    `
    The world of untold millions of different kinds of raw materials and physical
    objects made by humans from those raw materials, and the way they
    co-exist together allowing humans to build the modern world as it exists
    today --displays a staggering amount of Intelligent Design.

    `
    It is unreasonable to believe that all that up there was produced by
    natural processes and not produced by an Intelligent Mind, an
    Intelligent Designer, God.

    "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth."__Genesis 1:1

    JAG

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