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    100 Mile Border Zone

    Interested in a general discussion.

    I had no idea that the federal police in Portland (CBP) are allowed to operate there partly because it's within 100 miles of the ocean (border). Within that area, federal police are allowed to conduct searches without a warrant or probable cause. That then means that fourth amendment rights for upwards of 66% of the population are potentially worthless because they/we live within 100 miles of an ocean (or border).

    border and ocean.jpg

    Some efforts have been made to minimize this external boundary area from 100 miles to 25 miles in Congress, but it's still shocking to me that this is even acceptable. Even if the border zone were limited to 25 miles, it would still apply to almost every major city on both coasts. It might be "reasonable" to search someone entering the country through a port of entry, but how can it possibly be constitutionally reasonable to do so to Americans who simply live within 100 miles of the ocean or border? Or, to establish 170 "checkpoints" throughout the country because they fall within 100 miles of the "border" (ocean)?

    How is this acceptable?

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    I knew about this.

    CBP uses this authority to catch a lot of illegals and those who smuggle them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I knew about this.

    CBP uses this authority to catch a lot of illegals and those who smuggle them.

    What about abusing it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    What about abusing it?
    Sue them if you think you have been abused. I suspect some of the legal aid groups would take a good case for free.
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    This was in the news here locally a few years back when a woman and her children were driving many miles from the border and were stopped by Border Patrol agents who wanted to question them and inspect the vehicle. The woman had one of her kids film the interaction between her and the agents from the back seat. They kept asking where the occupants of the car were going, did they have permission to search the vehicle, etc., and her responses consisted mostly of "Am I being detained?" and "Am I free to go?" They finally got tired of dealing with her and sent her on her way.

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    You will almost always go through an interior checkpoint driving North from the Mexican border. I do not remember if that was true coming out of Tiajuana where the traffic was heavy.

    It is so easy to get across the border at almost every point but few roads actually heading out of the border regions. Traffic is also lighter because most people crossing the border everyday are doing it for work, shopping, to see a doctor or other local tasks. They are looking for stolen vehicles, drugs, produce as well as illegals. It was not uncommon that as my information was being recorded that a drug sniffing dog was led around my car.

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    Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard

    "Only a rank degenerate would drive 1,500 miles across Texas and not eat a chicken fried steak." - Larry McMurtry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post

    That's an example of what I'm concerned about. How is this sort of nonsense not one of the top stories all the time? We have fourth amendment rights... sometimes. Like, when "they" feel like it.

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    SCOTUS has ruled on this already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    SCOTUS has ruled on this already.
    To limit the scope (residence status) and length of a stop, which gets ignored by the CBP.

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