The Civil War and who fought it

[jet57]

You will have to clarify your statement. It doesn't mean very much as stated since you have said absolutely nothing in this thread.

Okay, I'll show 'ya -

mason dixon line.jpg

Now tell me that one half was not at war with the other half.

[carolina73]

If you study a US map of the Mason Dixon line you’ll see that I was exactly right.

Exactly right about what? This is your first post in the thread..

[carolina73]

A poster in another thread made the claim that the civil war was fought by the South against the rest of the country. Technically the civil war was fought primarily by the Slave States of
TX, AR LA, TN, MS, AL, GA, FL, SC, NC and VA against the Free States and four Slave States that remained in the Union. Except for several Western States who really didn't add much to the war the Union was made up of Northern States. The South was outnumbered 11 to 23. The war was for all practical purposes a regional war in that the majority of the Slave States were below the Mason Dixon Line. KY, MD, DE and WV remained in the Union although they were Slave States and some states were split in their loyalties. Tennessee for example, although a hot bed of pro Confederacy support was divided in East Tennessee along the NC border spawning the "Bridge Burners" who burned railway bridges to stop troop movements.

In any event, the War Between the States was not a civil war technically because the Confederacy was not attempting to take over the US government but to leave it. It was no more a "civil war" than the American Revolution was a civil war against England. It is interesting that the so called Border States were not made to give up their slave holdings until the 13th Amendment was passed.

I think of it more like you do as as 2nd American Revolution. The South did not want a war even though they knew it would be coming. The South just wanted to get away from the Northern states that were oppressing them. They did not want to have anything to do with taking over control of the whole country.

Technically it can still be called a Civil War.

The 13 Colonies only came together with the agreement of State's Rights as laid out by our Constitution. Then the North moved away from that principal as NY, MA and PA became the dominate states by population. Just like NY, CA and IL today are dominate and run by commie type pinko...

[jet57]

Exactly right about what? This is your first post in the thread..

I was referring to the other thread on this subject. I'm "the poster" he talks about. Look at post #11. The civil war was national, not regional as he was trying push.

[jet57]

I think of it more like you do as as 2nd American Revolution. The South did not want a war even though they knew it would be coming. The South just wanted to get away from the Northern states that were oppressing them. They did not want to have anything to do with taking over control of the whole country.

Technically it can still be called a Civil War.

The 13 Colonies only came together with the agreement of State's Rights as laid out by our Constitution. Then the North moved away from that principal as NY, MA and PA became the dominate states by population. Just like NY, CA and IL today are dominate and run by commie type pinko...

State's rights was only an offshoot of the reasons for the revolution.

[Chris]

I think of it more like you do as as 2nd American Revolution. The South did not want a war even though they knew it would be coming. The South just wanted to get away from the Northern states that were oppressing them. They did not want to have anything to do with taking over control of the whole country.

Technically it can still be called a Civil War.

The 13 Colonies only came together with the agreement of State's Rights as laid out by our Constitution. Then the North moved away from that principal as NY, MA and PA became the dominate states by population. Just like NY, CA and IL today are dominate and run by commie type pinko...

I think similarly. There was the Declaration and the American Revolution and out of that came the Articles of Confederation. Later we get the Constitution and a stronger, centralized federal government that grew in power thereby weakening the states' powers or rights. Secession appealed to the Declaration and formed a new Conderation, the CSA. They lost and the federal government has only grown stronger and the states weaker ever since.

[Captdon]

A poster in another thread made the claim that the civil war was fought by the South against the rest of the country. Technically the civil war was fought primarily by the Slave States of
TX, AR LA, TN, MS, AL, GA, FL, SC, NC and VA against the Free States and four Slave States that remained in the Union. Except for several Western States who really didn't add much to the war the Union was made up of Northern States. The South was outnumbered 11 to 23. The war was for all practical purposes a regional war in that the majority of the Slave States were below the Mason Dixon Line. KY, MD, DE and WV remained in the Union although they were Slave States and some states were split in their loyalties. Tennessee for example, although a hot bed of pro Confederacy support was divided in East Tennessee along the NC border spawning the "Bridge Burners" who burned railway bridges to stop troop movements.

In any event, the War Between the States was not a civil war technically because the Confederacy was not attempting to take over the US government but to leave it. It was no more a "civil war" than the American Revolution was a civil war against England. It is interesting that the so called Border States were not made to give up their slave holdings until the 13th Amendment was passed.

The Civil War is just the common usage of the term. The Emancipation Proclamation was a wartime act.

[Captdon]

I was referring to the other thread on this subject. I'm "the poster" he talks about. Look at post #11. The civil war was national, not regional as he was trying push.

You were wrong then and you are wrong now. The rest of the country was under control of the federal government. The South was a region. So, you're wrong.

[Captdon]

I think similarly. There was the Declaration and the American Revolution and out of that came the Articles of Confederation. Later we get the Constitution and a stronger, centralized federal government that grew in power thereby weakening the states' powers or rights. Secession appealed to the Declaration and formed a new Conderation, the CSA. They lost and the federal government has only grown stronger and the states weaker ever since.

The South considered the chance that slavery would be taken away and fought to prevent that. This "states rights" argument was phony then and history doesn't change.

[Chris]

The South considered the chance that slavery would be taken away and fought to prevent that. This "states rights" argument was phony then and history doesn't change.

Secession documents say what I posted. Slavery was a part of how states' right were violated. But the arguments were the same as in the DoI.