'We're dying here,' Florida newspaper says in pleading with governor

[Reason10]

Don't worry; human lives are expendable when it comes to the US Economy.

False dilemma.

You're trying to say we have a choice: A good economy OR people surviving the Obama Virus.

Here's why you are wrong:

1. We cannot even trust the Covid death numbers, since hospitals receive more money for a Covid death. You've already seen examples of heart attack or auto accident deaths being counted as Covid, just so the hospital can get more money. (Gee, Virginia. Hospitals REALLY DO price gouge, don't they?)

2. States that remained shut down, thus screwing their own economy, didn't fare that well in terms of Covid deaths per 100,000 people. (And that is assuming those are ALL Covid deaths, which we can't even rely on to be fact.)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...s-us-by-state/

Florida's numbers are WAY below the extended lockdown states (New Jersey, New York, and other blue states.)


Attempting to say people have to choose between a good economy and survival is pretty ignorant, especially when the issue will END on November 4, when Trump is reelected.

[RichardMZhlubb]

He made a mistake. You are just a troll.

Later on he will be fine while you will remain a troll.

No, he won't. I could list at least a dozen fake photos or outright lies @Reason10 has posted in just the last month. This wasn't a mistake. He's a serial liar.

[Reason10]

Hospitalizations are down yet deaths are up (7,500 total). Total number of infections in Florida are close to 500,000; most impressive, the people of Florida must have worked very hard to get the numbers that high. I hope DeSantis is happy.

The number of people being treated for COVID-19 in hospitals statewide continued a nearly two-week downward trajectory, with 7,797 patients in the late morning Tuesday, from 7,991 the day before and down from highs of more than 9,500 about two weeks ago, said the DOH.

Also, for the 10th day in a row, there were fewer than 10,000 newly recorded cases, with only 5,446 positive results reported in a 24-hour period. Whether these numbers reflect a sustained downward trend won’t be clear until fresh results are reported, because many large testing sites were closed over the weekend and into Monday due to Tropical Storm Isaias. Those sites have since reopened.

The total number of coronavirus cases in Florida is just shy of 500,000, and more than 7,500 have died.



https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/florida/articles/2020-08-04/florida-coronavirus-hospitalizations-down-deaths-up

A couple of problems with that:

1. US News is not exactly a reliable source. It's more a campaign tool for the Democrat National Committee. Therefore, it's facts really can't be trusted.

2. This article was mostly anecdotal, mostly emotional human interest stories, with very little in the way of documentation.

3. And AGAIN, it does not address the FRAUD hospitals are engaging in when they count a heart attack death as a Covid death. So we can't trust the death numbers on this one.

4. Local papers are engaging more in campaigning against Governor De Santis, (who has done a better job protecting the state than ANY other governor in the country) and they aren't exactly giving us real facts.

[Peter1469]

Don't worry; human lives are expendable when it comes to the US Economy.

No. The leaders take all information and make educated choices based on risk.

[Peter1469]

Witnesses Convinced that Cuomo Is Intentionally Hiding Actual Number of Nursing Home Deaths



The New York State Assembly and Senate gave New York Health Commissioner Howard Zucker plenty of chances to tell them the number of nursing home residents who have died from COVID, but all he could muster was that he'd "get back" to them. How can that be, the lawmakers wondered. As Democrat James Skoufis noted, even California has managed to share that statistic. He said it "perplexes" him that Zucker couldn't be just as forthcoming.


Asked by the panel if he felt he was "being heard" by the state government, Long Term Care Community Coalition executive director Richard Mollot said, "no."
How right he was. Zucker didn't stick around to hear testimony from folks who were directly affected by the administration's order.

If he had stayed he would have heard some horrifying tales. One by one, witnesses explained how their loved ones had been mistreated in New York nursing homes, who were following the guidelines of Gov. Andrew Cuomo's administration. By now most are aware that Cuomo mandated that long term care facilities accept COVID patients who had been discharged from hospitals. For Mary Beth Delarm, she hadn't even been notified that her mom had died in one of the facilities. As she explained in her written testimony, she learned of her mom's death by reading about it in the newspaper.

She, like so many other witnesses, don't believe the Cuomo administration when they say they don't know the actual number of nursing home deaths.

"An external investigation should be done as to why State would accept this, as they’ve excepted so much of the abhorrent Mal treatment to patients," Delarm said. "Covid related infections and death numbers noted by New York State from any hospital or nursing home or health assisted facility are obviously higher. Much higher. I’m hearing from authorities they’re thinking close to 20,000."


Another common denominator in these testimonies is a question: When will there be a real, independent investigation of how Gov. Cuomo's mandate affected nursing home deaths in the state of New York?

The next New York nursing home hearing, this time focusing on upstate NY, will be on Monday, August 10.....snip~


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortne...eaths-n2573668


Lets get that Independent Investigation going Right now. Then leak out just how much Cuomo screwed the pooch.

One trick is to transfer a person dying out of the nursing home to the ER to die. Then don't count it as a nursing home death.

[Cannons Front]

Don't worry; human lives are expendable when it comes to the US Economy.

People die everyday none more tragic than he next, currently there is no cure for COVID 19 there is not and may not ever be a Vaccine so what do you propose?
It is a fact that overdoses and suicides have increased, education is suffering and economically people are suffering which will cause more health issues and deaths.

So what do you think we should do?
I think we go back to work and school with some reasonable accommodations, yes people will get sick, but they will get sick no matter what, yes people will die, but is a death from covid worse than a death by overdose or suicide driven by unending despair?
I think we protect those that are the most vulnerable and get back to our lives.

But you seem to think we stay closed down, so tell me with no work who pays for people to eat? Who pays the Rent? Who pays the bills?
Don't talk about the gov't at any level, there is not enough money for any or all levels of Gov't to supply us all.
So tell me who pays, how do we get food?

[Ethereal]

Don't worry; human lives are expendable when it comes to the US Economy.

Lives depend on the economy.

And lockdowns will cause many more people to die from suicide, drug overdose, heart disease and cancer.

For you to pretend like the policies you support have no cost in life is just wishful thinking. And shockingly ignorant.

[gamewell45]

False dilemma.

You're trying to say we have a choice: A good economy OR people surviving the Obama Virus.

Here's why you are wrong:

1. We cannot even trust the Covid death numbers, since hospitals receive more money for a Covid death. You've already seen examples of heart attack or auto accident deaths being counted as Covid, just so the hospital can get more money. (Gee, Virginia. Hospitals REALLY DO price gouge, don't they?)

2. States that remained shut down, thus screwing their own economy, didn't fare that well in terms of Covid deaths per 100,000 people. (And that is assuming those are ALL Covid deaths, which we can't even rely on to be fact.)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...s-us-by-state/

Florida's numbers are WAY below the extended lockdown states (New Jersey, New York, and other blue states.)


Attempting to say people have to choose between a good economy and survival is pretty ignorant, especially when the issue will END on November 4, when Trump is reelected.

Read post #190.

[Ethereal]

Obviously you don't recognize sarcasm when it's staring you right in the eye.

Obviously you don't recognize when someone is pointing out your lack of consistency.

[MisterVeritis]

Then you won’t go in any public place. Show up where I am and you’ll be wearing that mask before you know what happened. Just FYI.

No matter how tough you think you are, two rounds in your chest will persuade you to back off.