How? Don’t know, but surely it’s possible in this day and age. Four months probably not doable but seems like a good long term goal to me.Originally Posted by countryboy
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How? Don’t know, but surely it’s possible in this day and age. Four months probably not doable but seems like a good long term goal to me.
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In my opinion this is a full scale attack on the United States. What can we do about it?
Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.
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Develop a 21st century voting system? Then the point would be moot.
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Why? In person voting has served well for a couple hundred years. Why change that now? You know why.
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Dems would never allow it. They don't even like security measures like identification.
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Peter1469 (08-05-2020)
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right now, we have the most efficient method of voting. You put your ballot in the machine, and it automatically gets counted.
Anything else, currently, would prove to be a folly
Of course it would be faster with a retina scan to vote instead of some piddly piece of paper.
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What have other countries experienced with mail in votes? Massive fraud.
Abstract
Thirty-seven states have so far changed their mail-in voting procedures this year in response to the Coronavirus. Despite frequent claims that President Trump’s warning about vote fraud/voting buying with mail-in ballots is “baselessly” or “without evidence” about mail-in vote fraud, there are numerous examples of vote fraud and vote buying with mail-in ballots in the United States and across the world. Indeed, concerns over vote fraud and vote buying with mail-in ballots causes the vast majority of countries to ban mail-in voting unless the citizen is living abroad.
Most developed countries ban mail-in ballots unless the citizen is living abroad or require Photo-IDs to obtain those ballots. Even higher percentages of European Union or other European countries ban mail-in ballots for in country voters. In addition, some countries that allow voting by mail for citizens living the country don’t allow it for everyone. For example, Japan and Poland have limited mail-in voting to those who have special certificates verifying that they are disabled.
France has made an exception this year to the ban on mail-in ballots to those who are sick or at particular risk during the Coronavirus pandemic. Poland and two cities in Russia have adopted mail-in ballots for elections this year only, but most countries haven't changed their regulations.
France banned mail-in voting in 1975 because of massive fraud in Corsica, where postal ballots were stolen or bought and voters cast multiple votes. Mail-in ballots were used to cast the votes of dead people. Examples for other countries are provided.
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Anxieties about mail ballots on display in latest round of primaries, highlighting worries for fall
Multiple problems with mail in voting.
Voters voiced concerns about the delivery and security of mail ballots as five states held primaries Tuesday, highlighting how the rapid shift to absentee voting during the coronavirus pandemic has emerged as a central issue in this year's elections.
In Michigan, voters complained that they received their ballots just before Tuesday's vote or not at all, raising fears that political pressure could be affecting the U.S. Postal Service three months before the Nov. 3 presidential election. In Kansas and Missouri, many conservatives chose to cast ballots in person despite the possible health risk, some echoing President Donald Trump's unfounded claims that mail voting leads to widespread fraud.
The number of absentee ballot requests broke records in at least two states with primaries on Tuesday, offering further evidence of voters' embrace of mail voting to avoid potential exposure to the novel coronavirus at polling locations. At least 77 percent of American voters will be able to cast ballots through the mail in the fall, according to a Washington Post tracker of state rules.
Yet the dramatic shift has not always been smooth, with local election administrators struggling to meet demand for absentee ballots with what they describe as a lack of sufficient funding and personnel.
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Evidence Mounts That Mail-In Voting Will Bring Only Fraud And Chaos
A round up of mail in fraud:
For months we’ve heard reassurances from Democrats that the nation can, and should, vote by mail this November. It won’t, we’ve been told, result in an increase in voter fraud, and we can count on the Postal Service to handle the workload. And, of course, voting by mail is vital to prevent more coronavirus deaths.
It’s becoming painfully obvious that none of that is true, and that the Democrats’ only real motivation is to swing key elections in their favor.
Nearly every news story about mail-in voting asserts that there’s no evidence that it will increase fraud. Really?
The Heritage Foundation recently released a paper that detailed four elections that were overturned because of fraud involving absentee and mail-in ballots, including a school board election in California, a Miami mayoral election, a primary election in Indiana, and a congressional election in North Carolina.
In North Carolina, the state board of elections found “concerted fraudulent activities related to absentee by-mail ballots” and ruled that the election “was corrupted by fraud, improprieties and irregularities so pervasive that its results are tainted as the fruit of an operation manifestly unfair to the voters and corrosive to our system of representative government. “
Among other things, the investigation found forged signatures, falsified witness certifications, pressure on voters to fill out ballots a certain way, and “fraudulently voted blank or incomplete” ballots.
The election board ordered a new vote.
There’s an investigation underway right now in Paterson, New Jersey, in which residents have been charged with criminal election fraud in an all-mail municipal election.
“Evidence is surfacing of everything from voters reporting that they never received their absentee ballots (even though they are recorded as having voted) to accusations that one of the campaigns may have submitted fraudulent ballots,” writes Hans von Spakovsky, Heritage’s election integrity expert.
In July, former Pennsylvania Democratic congressman Michael “Ozzie” Myers was charged with ballot stuffing, bribery, and obstruction of justice in the 2014, 2015, and 2016 Democratic primaries. And a West Virginia mail carrier pleaded guilty earlier to attempted election fraud by altering ballot request forms.
A Portland State University survey in one Oregon county found that 5% of voters admitted that other people marked their ballots and 2.4% said someone else signed for them.
Von Spakovsky notes that “if that percentage held for the rest of the state, it would mean tens of thousands of illegal ballots.”
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100 years ago or so horseback was a popular form of transportation too.
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