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    Is God Responsible For The Evil In The World? No He Is Not.

    JAG Writes:

    Man's Free Will is responsible for all the evil in the would.

    God created a perfect world.
    God created perfect human beings.
    God gave human beings a Free Will.
    Human beings used their Free Will to choose to do evil.
    Human beings choosing to do evil is the reason we have
    natural disasters and evil in the world-- and the reason
    we have The Curse upon the Earth.

    Many atheists blame the God of the Bible for all the natural disasters
    and all the evil in the world.

    You may ask, "How can atheists blame the God of the Bible for evil
    when atheists do not believe that God exists?
    Answer: They postulate that "if God does exist" then He is evil
    because the Bible presents God as being Omnipotent {all powerful}
    and therefore He could have created a world without any evil if He had
    wanted to do that. He did not want to do that, therefore He is evil.

    So? So there are many atheists who have said that the
    God-That-Does-Not-Exist is responsible for all the evil in the world.

    What does that mean? Well again atheists do not believe that God exists
    but, for the sake of argument, they say that if the God of the Bible
    does exist, then He is responsible for all the evil in the world because
    He is Omnipotent and could have designed a world without evil.

    I just recently read a lengthy thread on another forum where
    an atheist and many of his fellow atheists blamed the God of
    the Bible for inflicting the COVID-19 virus on humanity.

    Yes, sure! Again, I know that atheists do NOT believe that God
    exists. But they, for arguments sake, argue against the God of
    the Bible and say that "if He does exist", He would be evil because
    He could prevent evil, but chooses NOT to prevent it.

    Has anyone read the books written by the infamous "New Atheists"?
    There are 4 of them. Their names are Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris,
    Daniel Dennett, and the late Christopher Hitchens.

    The atheist Richard Dawkins is an especially vile talking atheist.
    Here is what the atheist Richard Dawkins said about the God of
    the Bible:

    “The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant
    character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust,
    unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser;
    a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal,
    pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously
    malevolent bully.” ― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

    Again, the "New Atheists" do not believe that God actually exists.
    But they say that "if He does exist" He is evil as I explained above.
    I keep repeating this because a large number of Internet posters
    endlessly state that "Atheists do not believe that God exists" as if
    we did not know that. We do know that.


    Back to what some atheists have said about the
    God-That-Does-Not-Exist . . .

    They have specifically and clearly and emphatically declared
    that the God of the Bible IS responsible for the evil in the
    world.

    Stephen Fry, an atheist, has a video on You Tube, He was
    being interviewed and he was asked, 'What would you
    say to God when you die and find out that Christianity
    is actually true, and you are standing at the pearly gates?

    Stephen Fry replied that he was going to ask God "Why he
    put bone cancer in children? God, What is that all about?",
    replied Stephen Fry.

    Stephen Fry's video went viral and has become infamous on the
    Internet. You see it quoted and linked to quite often.

    ____________

    Back to The Problem Of Evil . . .

    Centuries ago Epicurus formulated The Problem Of Evil like this:


    Sayeth Epicurus:

    “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not Omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”__Epicurus

    The Christian analytical philosopher Alvin Plantinga has a very good
    rebuttal to these "New Atheists" and to Epicurus.

    Sayeth the Christian Alvin Plantinga:

    {You will need to "deep read" what Plantinga says below
    and spend some time studying and seriously analyzing
    what Plantinga has written}

    As Plantinga summarized his Free Will defense:[14]

    "A world containing creatures who are significantly free (and freely
    perform more good than evil actions) is more valuable, all else
    being equal, than a world containing no free creatures at all.
    Now God can create free creatures, but He can't cause or
    determine them to do only what is right. For if He does so,
    then they aren't significantly free after all; they do not do
    what is right freely. To create creatures capable of moral
    good, therefore, He must create creatures capable of
    moral evil; and He can't give these creatures the freedom
    to perform evil and at the same time prevent them from
    doing so. As it turned out, sadly enough, some of the free
    creatures God created went wrong in the exercise of their
    freedom; this is the source of moral evil. The fact that free
    creatures sometimes go wrong, however, counts neither
    against God's omnipotence nor against His goodness; for
    He could have forestalled the occurrence of moral evil only
    by removing the possibility of moral good."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_...urther_details

    End quote.
    ___________


    The "New Atheists" do not correctly understand the Biblical
    doctrine of the Omnipotence {all-powerful} of God.

    Epicurus did not correctly understand the Christian doctrine of
    God's Omnipotence. God's Omnipotence does not mean that
    He can do anything. God cannot create square circles. God
    cannot make 2 + 2 = 7. God cannot give humans the Free Will
    to do evil and at the same time prevent humans from doing evil.


    The fatal flaw in Epicurus is he misunderstood the Christian
    doctrine of the Omnipotence of the God of the Bible.

    Conclusion: Mankind, NOT God, is the cause of sin, evil, and
    natural disasters in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAG View Post
    [COLOR=#000000][FONT=verdana]JAG Writes:...
    Conclusion: Mankind, NOT God, is the cause of sin, evil, and
    natural disasters in the world.
    Umm...
    You are wrong about police.

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    The world is not perfect. The solar system is not perfect. The galaxy is not perfect. The universe is not perfect.

    And you want to blame me?
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


    I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    The world is not perfect. The solar system is not perfect. The galaxy is not perfect. The universe is not perfect.

    And you want to blame me?

    How can you even say this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lummy View Post
    How can you even say this?
    Because, with exception of a few things I would like to change about me, *I AM* perfect.

    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


    I pledge allegiance to the Constitution as written and understood by this nation's founders, and to the Republic it created, an indivisible union of sovereign States, with liberty and justice for all.

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    Man's Free Will is responsible for all the evil in the would.
    God created a perfect world.
    God created perfect human beings.
    God gave human beings a Free Will.
    Hmmmm
    I find your lack of faith...disturbing...

    -Darth Vader

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post

    Umm...
    JAG Wrote:
    Mankind, NOT God, is the cause of sin, evil, and

    natural disasters in the world."

    We are in the Religion department , , , so we're talking Faith here.

    The Christian explanation is in the opening sentences of the OP.
    God created the world perfect.
    Man used his Free Will to choose the Sin Principle.
    The Sin Principle brought The Curse upon the Earth.
    The Curse upon the Earth brought natural disasters like:
    Earthquakes
    Floods
    Tsunamis
    Hurricanes

    JAG Wrote:
    Man's Free Will is responsible for all the evil in the would.

    God created a perfect world.
    God created perfect human beings.
    God gave human beings a Free Will.
    Human beings used their Free Will to choose to do evil.
    Human beings choosing to do evil is the reason we have
    natural disasters and evil in the world-- and the reason
    we have The Curse upon the Earth."___JAG

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAG View Post
    JAG Wrote:
    Mankind, NOT God, is the cause of sin, evil, and

    natural disasters in the world."

    We are in the Religion department , , , so we're talking Faith here.
    Mm. Kay. So tell me, who, according to your belief system/faith set up the rules/parameters of the world?
    You are wrong about police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    The world is not perfect. The solar
    system is not perfect. The galaxy
    is not perfect. The universe is not perfect.

    And you want to blame me?
    `
    Yeah you're part to blame, as are we all, for The Curse upon the Earth.

    The Opening Post does not "get into" the imperfections of the Solar System, Galaxy, and
    the Universe. They were created for a reason, and my view is one day they will be
    inhabited by intelligent creatures. God has a Plan. His Plan is HUGE. I hope it includes
    you. It may not. But its your choice. Revelation 3:20

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post

    Mm. Kay. So tell me, who, according to your belief
    system/faith set up the rules/parameters of the world?

    Your question is heading straight into The Problem Of Evil.
    Read Old Eppie down there.
    Then read very carefully Plantinga down there.
    __________

    The answer to your question in a nutshell is this:

    You do not correctly understand the Biblical
    doctrine of the Omnipotence {all-powerful} of God.
    You are going to blame God for the mess we are in. That is
    the substance of your question. Your point is that it was
    God that set the rules and parameters ---and therefore it is
    HE that is ultimately responsible for the human condition,
    sin, evil, death, crimes, etc.
    But you are incorrect in your assumption.
    God's Omnipotence does not mean that
    He can do anything.

    God cannot create square circles.

    God
    cannot make 2 + 2 = 7.

    God cannot give humans the Free Will
    to choose to either do
    GOOD or EVIL and at the same time prevent humans from
    choosing to do EVIL.

    So?

    So man, not God, is responsible for all the Evil in the world {and
    natural disasters as explained up-thread.}

    Moving from the philosophical to the more concrete --So what
    about at the personal level?
    ■ If John 3:16 is true, humans have a major problem.

    John 3:16 presents you with a clear choice:
    {1}believe and get Eternal Life
    {2} refuse to believe and perish



    ___________


    Sayeth Epicurus:

    “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not Omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”__Epicurus

    _____________

    As Plantinga summarized his Free Will defense:[14]

    "A world containing creatures who are significantly free (and freely
    perform more good than evil actions) is more valuable, all else
    being equal, than a world containing no free creatures at all.
    Now God can create free creatures, but He can't cause or
    determine them to do only what is right. For if He does so,
    then they aren't significantly free after all; they do not do
    what is right freely. To create creatures capable of moral
    good, therefore, He must create creatures capable of
    moral evil; and He can't give these creatures the freedom
    to perform evil and at the same time prevent them from
    doing so. As it turned out, sadly enough, some of the free
    creatures God created went wrong in the exercise of their
    freedom; this is the source of moral evil. The fact that free
    creatures sometimes go wrong, however, counts neither
    against God's omnipotence nor against His goodness; for
    He could have forestalled the occurrence of moral evil only
    by removing the possibility of moral good."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_...urther_details

    End quote.


    JAG

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