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Thread: Trump: Mail voting is now fine! (But only in Florida)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Lily View Post
    It's obviously not the return delivery of the votes that's the problem.

    How can you possibly think that mass mail outs of ballot papers to millions of people that are just strewn in piles in doorways for anyone to grab is not ultimately going to end up being rife with fraud?

    I saw that picture a pile of ballots on the ground. Not sure if it was real or contrived. Its hard to know if that's a common occurrence, or if it even happens at all. But most (surely all) states require a signature match among other things to verify the ballot. Letter carriers who do that should simply be fired.

    If on the other hand those are general blank ballots, then it would be hard to commit voter fraud. The reason is that anyone trying to "harvest" those ballots would have to know the personal details of the person they were trying to impersonate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    We need normal elections, not this fraudulent nonsense. The left is trying to steal this election and its plain as day.
    Apparently Trump likes vote by mail too (when he thinks it will benefit him)
    Last edited by TheLiquidGuy; 08-04-2020 at 08:19 PM.


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    Other nations have experience with mail in ballots. What did they find? Massive fraud.

    Why do most countries ban mail-in ballots?: They have seen massive vote fraud problems

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    Thirty-seven states have so far changed their mail-in voting procedures this year in response to the Coronavirus. Despite frequent claims that President Trump’s warning about vote fraud/voting buying with mail-in ballots is “baselessly” or “without evidence” about mail-in vote fraud, there are numerous examples of vote fraud and vote buying with mail-in ballots in the United States and across the world. Indeed, concerns over vote fraud and vote buying with mail-in ballots causes the vast majority of countries to ban mail-in voting unless the citizen is living abroad.


    Most developed countries ban mail-in ballots unless the citizen is living abroad or require Photo-IDs to obtain those ballots. Even higher percentages of European Union or other European countries ban mail-in ballots for in country voters. In addition, some countries that allow voting by mail for citizens living the country don’t allow it for everyone. For example, Japan and Poland have limited mail-in voting to those who have special certificates verifying that they are disabled.


    France has made an exception this year to the ban on mail-in ballots to those who are sick or at particular risk during the Coronavirus pandemic. Poland and two cities in Russia have adopted mail-in ballots for elections this year only, but most countries haven't changed their regulations.



    France banned mail-in voting in 1975 because of massive fraud in Corsica, where postal ballots were stolen or bought and voters cast multiple votes. Mail-in ballots were used to cast the votes of dead people. Examples for other countries are provided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    I saw that picture a pile of ballots on the ground. Not sure if it was real or contrived. Its hard to know if that's a common occurrence, or if it even happens at all. But most (surely all) states require a signature match among other things to verify the ballot. Letter carriers who do that should simply be fired.

    If on the other hand those are general blank ballots, then it would be hard to commit voter fraud. The reason is that anyone trying to "harvest" those ballots would have to know the personal details of the person they were trying to impersonate.
    NV just passed a law on mail in voting that does not require a signature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    NV just passed a law on mail in voting that does not require a signature.
    How can you possibly believe that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    How do you deliver your absentee vote? Any chance by mail? The only real difference is that absentee voters must request a mail-in ballot. All mail voting states give mail-ballots to all registered voters (at least in the two states I looked at).
    Two totally different things. Absentee ballot - vs - Vote by mail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    Apparently Trump likes vote by mail too (when he thinks it will benefit him)
    Why do you continue to perpetuate misinformation. He pushed absentee ballots not vote by mail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Other nations have experience with mail in ballots. What did they find? Massive fraud.

    Why do most countries ban mail-in ballots?: They have seen massive vote fraud problems




    Tell that to Trump when it comes to Florida


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLiquidGuy View Post
    Tell that to Trump when it comes to Florida
    Why? I don't talk to Trump nor do I feel the need to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Why do you continue to perpetuate misinformation. He pushed absentee ballots not vote by mail.
    Because as you know, DGUtley, I love pushing misinformation. Its how I operate, generally. Wouldn’t you agree?

    You are a little too eager to euphemistically call me a liar. I am guessing you did not read Trump’s tweet (or the qualification between parenthesis in my post). Here is the tweet. Tell me again what he pushed in Florida?

    Whether you call it Vote by Mail or Absentee Voting, in Florida the election system is Safe and Secure, Tried and True. Florida’s Voting system has been cleaned up (we defeated Democrats attempts at change), so in Florida I encourage all to request a Ballot & Vote by Mail! #MAGA

    That aside, there is no practical difference between the two. An absentee ballot is essentially a mail ballot that must be requested and approved. It boils down to some additional registration paperwork being needed. Each state will be a variation on that theme but in the most important way they are the same: they use a courier (usually mail).


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