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    Portland's mayor didn't believe there was any violence. Until they came to her house and she crapped her panties. Perhaps that is what the left needs? Violence to come to their homes and work places? Maybe then they would condemn the violence their own people are responsible for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    I think - actually I know - you mean to say "condone", not "condemn".
    Whooops... not a Freudian slip, I swear!
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    How can your vice presidential candidate, Sen, Tim Kaine, call for Democrats to fight in the streets and then have the Democrats condemn violence. They have double standards but they can't fit that in because the right isn't rioting.

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    Leftists don't condemn the violence because it is their own mainstream that is responsible for the violence. The leftist elites, especially those in gov't, do not want to alienate the base. If they speak against their own base, they are cutting their own throats.

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    Ted Cruz asked Democrat Mazie Hirono to say one negative thing about ANTIFA. She refused and stormed out of the hearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Ted Cruz asked Democrat Mazie Hirono to say one negative thing about ANTIFA. She refused and stormed out of the hearing.
    That's what those people do. They scurry away when the heat gets a little too uncomfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    Whooops... not a Freudian slip, I swear!
    Too bad - you said it and now you're stuck with it. You KNOW you support the rioters and looters, A! Why do you continue to deny it? Bad, bad Socialist Nazi!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    I often opt to not post in threads related to the protests because there seem to be two very different characterizations circulating about them which both seem extreme. Violence is wrong and I do not condone it, and I also think that peaceful protests are a legitimate and important right within a free country. An individual can hold both of those views simultaneously. But I am not in Portland, among other places, to know what sources to trust and which not to. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle but I feel no need to argue ad nauseum with individuals who only believe in an extreme version of the story.
    At the risk of ad nauseum argument, may I ask what violence we're not condoning here. And then point out, no one condoned the violence perpetrated on George Floyd either. And yet the extreme version of that story, that systemic racism by police departments across America killed George Floyd, is widely accepted. Indeed other viewpoints not even tolerated.

    So first, what violence are we not condoning? Attacks on police officers. Attacks on innocent civilians. Attacks on businesses. Lighting fires to buildings with people in them. Using lasers on police officers eyes. Throwing commercial grade fireworks at police.

    Does property damage count, do we condone that. The tearing down of statues. Burning federal buildings and police stations.

    How about the surge in violence in every city. Record breaking homicides. These drive by killings into funerals and neighborhoods killing children who never make the news.

    Where are you on Canadian statue defacement, Adelaide, somewhere in the middle. They're defacing the Macdonald statue, wasn't he pretty much the Canadian Founder? And McDill is it....the research and medical facility giant in Montreal is it? Where are you on that. Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    At the risk of ad nauseum argument, may I ask what violence we're not condoning here. And then point out, no one condoned the violence perpetrated on George Floyd either. And yet the extreme version of that story, that systemic racism by police departments across America killed George Floyd, is widely accepted. Indeed other viewpoints not even tolerated.

    So first, what violence are we not condoning? Attacks on police officers. Attacks on innocent civilians. Attacks on businesses. Lighting fires to buildings with people in them. Using lasers on police officers eyes. Throwing commercial grade fireworks at police.

    Does property damage count, do we condone that. The tearing down of statues. Burning federal buildings and police stations.

    How about the surge in violence in every city. Record breaking homicides. These drive by killings into funerals and neighborhoods killing children who never make the new

    Where are you on Canadian statue defacement, Adelaide, somewhere in the middle. They're defacing the Macdonald statue, wasn't he pretty much the Canadian Founder? And McDill is it....the research and medical facility giant in Montreal is it? Where are you on that. Just curious.
    Not one liberal on this forum has suggested that they condone violence and the wanton destruction of property. Not one. Yet you persist in this false narrative that all liberals support mayhem when only a minority of the extreme left have such beliefs and inclinations. Liberals are not going to apologize for the actions of the extreme left anymore than conservatives are going to apologize for the actions of the extreme right.

    Adelaide never said that her position was somewhere in the middle, she said that the truth regarding the incidents in Portland is likely somewhere in the middle - that is to say, somewhere between the "facts" as presented by the right media and the "facts" as presented by the left media.

    Inasmuch as a number of politicians have been discussing defunding police, thus far no defunding has taken place. If police organizations are conducting a protest of their own and that is resulting in an increase in crime, then look at them. They are still being paid to do a job. Let's also not forget that this is summer and there is always an escalation in gang violence in the summer. With Covid 19 there has been an increase in calls for domestic violence - there has likely been an increase in domestic homicides. As I theorized some time ago, Covid 19 likely reduced the market for drugs and therefore increased competition for the remaining buyers. Competition in gang circles generally involves killing competitors. This is all in the context of ongoing and increasingly violent gang wars. As of 2017 Gun homicides were already up 30% since 2014. 2020 may be a perfect storm for homicide.
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    Which Leftist has declared "The ends justify the means." as a motto? That's a lie.

    The supporters of scientific socialism actually condemn such violence; such violence and not any kind of violence. because its unorganized, petty work and hopeless. As Lenin said, our solution is not "hackneyed, philistine, petty-bourgeois moralising" but "turning from aimless, senseless, sporadic acts of violence to purposeful, mass violence, linked with the broad movement and the sharpening of the direct proletarian struggle" (The Assessment of the Russian Revolution, Mar 10(23), 1908).

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