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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    So, rather than celebrate common ground, you want to make sure everyone knows you're not with "those people". Got it.
    It's just one of those of things many of us came to associate with prudishness and "anti-sex" attitudes (the propaganda of the Sexual Revolution being the primary conduit for such misperceptions) until it became all too clear that the Church had been right all along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    .... "A 2019 study published in Archives of Sexual Behavior also confirms links between porn consumption and “adolescent dating violence and sexual aggression,” showing that violent pornography exposure was associated with all types of teen dating violence. In fact, the study reports that “adolescents who intentionally viewed violent pornography were almost six times more likely to report sexually aggressive behavior than those who had not.” ....
    Rather than the violent porn causing dating violence, don't you think it more likely that at least in most cases it's probably a matter of the people who are attracted to seeing it in a video are the same ones who would tend to want to do it in real life...whereas someone to whom it isn't any kind of turn-on would neither watch it or do it?

    You made no mention in your OP - unless I missed it - of porn as it relates to the law, except for the dark web reference, and I don't want to take your thread off-topic; but in any discussion of an issue like this, where public approval vs. disapproval is being considered, the question inevitably arises, "It's hurting us as a society, so what do we do about it?"

    In big screen Hollywood films you can see all the violence, rape, torture, murder and miscellaneous mayhem imaginable - although to be fair those elements are not nearly as pervasive as many largely non-moviegoing critics seem to believe they are. "Torture horror" films, like the 'Saw' and 'Hostel' series, have become an entire sub-genre. And as we were discussing in another thread, rape is certainly out there in many mainstream features. Is anything - at least anything legal - that is being depicted in Internet porn not also being shown, assuming they ever open up again, at the neighborhood cineplex?

    Sorry if I began to derail your thread a bit, Polly. I guess I'm just temperamentally and professionally tuned to focus on the legal aspects of anything. I think I understand your point if it's that people - and probably, for whatever reasons, an increasing number of people - have developed moral objections to pornography quite aside from the religious. Obviously not everyone finds the same sex-related acts either arousing to watch or pleasurable to experience. Sex having such a strong influence on the human psyche, perhaps it's somewhat natural for people to develop a strong negative reaction to the idea that other people are "doing it wrong".
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    Violent porn isn't particularly stimulating to your average man. I would think those who seek it out already have serious issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Rather than the violent porn causing dating violence, don't you think it more likely that at least in most cases it's probably a matter of the people who are attracted to seeing it in a video are the same ones who would tend to want to do it in real life...whereas someone to whom it isn't any kind of turn-on would neither watch it or do it?

    You made no mention in your OP - unless I missed it - of porn as it relates to the law, except for the dark web reference, and I don't want to take your thread off-topic; but in any discussion of an issue like this, where public approval vs. disapproval is being considered, the question inevitably arises, "It's hurting us as a society, so what do we do about it?"

    In big screen Hollywood films you can see all the violence, rape, torture, murder and miscellaneous mayhem imaginable - although to be fair those elements are not nearly as pervasive as many largely non-moviegoing critics seem to believe they are. "Torture horror" films, like the 'Saw' and 'Hostel' series, have become an entire sub-genre. And as we were discussing in another thread, rape is certainly out there in many mainstream features. Is anything - at least anything legal - that is being depicted in Internet porn not also being shown, assuming they ever open up again, at the neighborhood cineplex?

    Sorry if I began to derail your thread a bit, Polly. I guess I'm just temperamentally and professionally tuned to focus on the legal aspects of anything. I think I understand your point if it's that people - and probably, for whatever reasons, an increasing number of people - have developed moral objections to pornography quite aside from the religious. Obviously not everyone finds the same sex-related acts either arousing to watch or pleasurable to experience. Sex having such a strong influence on the human psyche, perhaps it's somewhat natural for people to develop a strong negative reaction to the idea that other people are "doing it wrong".
    Yes, I think physically abusing other people is wrong. Even if they're attractive and signed a paper and everything.

    As to the dating violence correlation, I believe it's a little of both things: it's people who are so inclined to begin with, but also those inclinations being legitimized and reinforced in their minds by pornography.

    You went on to question the difference between art and porn. The difference between pornography and art is context. Is there a narrative justification for why I'm seeing someone being abused on my screen or is it intended purely to be stimulating; a good thing?

    You know full well that I'm not proposing a ban on R-rated films. I do wish that people wouldn't pretend that they can't tell the difference between those and the material they access on PornHub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Hey, if we agree on this, I'm perfectly happy with that!
    Yes, that's why you went to great lengths to distance yourself from them, lol.
    Cutesy Time is OVER

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Yes, that's why you went to great lengths to distance yourself from them, lol.
    My starting assumption was that the majority of tPF contributors would be industry proponents. I wrote the OP with that assumption. I'm happy if that assumption was wrong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calypso Jones View Post
    The OP is in favor of Porn??
    I think you've misunderstood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trish View Post
    I don't believe people are completely honest when they answer poll questions, especially those from a moral perspective. They answer in a way they think would be morally acceptable to others within their party politics.

    I agree that porn does show women in a more subservient role and the male more dominant. It's based on a fantasy. The average man is no longer dominant in the real world. For that reason it's even more important that they weld their dominance in the bedroom whether it's in front of a camera or not.

    BUT - Women are also changing in how they view themselves. We don't need to put up with losers anymore.

    Ha ha ha. Good one. Another amateur shrink weighs in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    My starting assumption was that the majority of tPF contributors would be industry proponents. I wrote the OP with that assumption. I'm happy if that assumption was wrong!
    Well, you know what they say about assumptions.
    Cutesy Time is OVER

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    .... You know full well that I'm not proposing a ban on R-rated films. I do wish that people wouldn't pretend that they can't tell the difference between those and the material they access on PornHub.
    Since most people - if polls are to be believed - don't consider pornography, let alone violent porn, to be morally acceptable, what if anything is to be done about it? Like with most things, warning our kids about it will most likely only result in their being more likely to want to check it out. What businesses that advertise on those porn sites - I wouldn't know personally, but I'm assuming they have advertisers? - would the average non-porn-viewer be likely to patronize and that might respond to threats of a boycott?

    Did you see the 'South Park' episode where everyone's browser history is about to become available to the public, and panic ensues? Is it conceivable, or even technologically possible, that someone might someday be able to access an entire search engine's data base (if that's even the right terminology, and it probably isn't) and make a list of all the websites Polly visited last month and all the searches she typed in? You or I might not consider that a scary prospect, but how many millions of ordinary people would? Would the threat of someone's viewing proclivities being made public have a...um...softening effect on the market?
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