Lockdowns Never Again: Sweden Was Right, and We Were Wrong Read more: https://www.am

[zelmo1234]

Zelmo, play nice. The OP should have supplied all the necessary information instead of a listing of blogs.

It was all done out of love! but you can't tee something up like that and expect me not to take a swing at it.

[Leanne778]

Hmmm.... I guess there are 2 sides to every story.
The public health authorities banned gatherings of over 50 people, closed high schools and universities, and advised people to maintain a safe distance. But stores and restaurants have remained open throughout the pandemic, as have elementary and middle schools.
The Swedish authorities argued this was a sustainable plan, one the public would back even if the measures had to stay in place for many months. In the long term, they believed it would protect both lives and the economy.

But the death toll from Sweden's outbreak is now the fifth-worst in the world, per capita. The country's mortality rate from the coronavirus is now 30% higher than that of the United States when adjusted for population size.

The economy, however, has still taken a serious hit, and many countries now see Sweden as a cautionary tale. Its closest neighbors, Denmark and Norway, have put strict limitations on travelers coming from Sweden.

If there is one country in Europe where there will be a second peak, it will be most likely Sweden, because they're still not doing that much to really stop it," she said.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sweden-...with-covid-19/

[gamewell45]

Hmmm.... I guess there are 2 sides to every story.
The public health authorities banned gatherings of over 50 people, closed high schools and universities, and advised people to maintain a safe distance. But stores and restaurants have remained open throughout the pandemic, as have elementary and middle schools.
The Swedish authorities argued this was a sustainable plan, one the public would back even if the measures had to stay in place for many months. In the long term, they believed it would protect both lives and the economy.

But the death toll from Sweden's outbreak is now the fifth-worst in the world, per capita. The country's mortality rate from the coronavirus is now 30% higher than that of the United States when adjusted for population size.

The economy, however, has still taken a serious hit, and many countries now see Sweden as a cautionary tale. Its closest neighbors, Denmark and Norway, have put strict limitations on travelers coming from Sweden.

If there is one country in Europe where there will be a second peak, it will be most likely Sweden, because they're still not doing that much to really stop it," she said.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sweden-...with-covid-19/

Thank you, you just answered my question.

[Sunsettommy]

Out of curiosity, how many people died from the virus in Sweden and what was the ratio compared to the population vs. the US?

They are similar in death per 1 million population, but Sweden was wide open the entire time, now almost completely free of the virus problem.

Reported Cases and Deaths by Country, Territory, or Conveyance

[Sunsettommy]

Hmmm.... I guess there are 2 sides to every story.
The public health authorities banned gatherings of over 50 people, closed high schools and universities, and advised people to maintain a safe distance. But stores and restaurants have remained open throughout the pandemic, as have elementary and middle schools.
The Swedish authorities argued this was a sustainable plan, one the public would back even if the measures had to stay in place for many months. In the long term, they believed it would protect both lives and the economy.

But the death toll from Sweden's outbreak is now the fifth-worst in the world, per capita. The country's mortality rate from the coronavirus is now 30% higher than that of the United States when adjusted for population size.

The economy, however, has still taken a serious hit, and many countries now see Sweden as a cautionary tale. Its closest neighbors, Denmark and Norway, have put strict limitations on travelers coming from Sweden.

If there is one country in Europe where there will be a second peak, it will be most likely Sweden, because they're still not doing that much to really stop it," she said.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sweden-...with-covid-19/

Where is the source for this misleading claim?

But the death toll from Sweden's outbreak is now the fifth-worst in the world, per capita. The country's mortality rate from the coronavirus is now 30% higher than that of the United States when adjusted for population size.

What is the death ratio by age?

The article states at least 50% were in care homes.

The article doesn't try very hard to make a supported case at all.

[Sunsettommy]

Meanwhile I see few here didn't read post one article well since this passage is quite significant:

Naysayers may point to Sweden's mortality rate to discount its success. But the virus has taken nearly 6,000 people in a country of 10 million, and one that tallies about 100,000 annual deaths each year. Given that 70 percent of those who died with COVID were over the age of 80 and very unhealthy, he argues, "quite a few of those 6,000 would have died this year anyway," making COVID a "mere blip in terms of its effect on mortality." And while Sweden will likely continue to see deaths from COVID, it will likely never see anything close to those numbers again. The large number of deaths can be clearly attributed to a "complete lack of any immunity" to this novel coronavirus.

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There a lot of points completely ignored in post one article such as the following:

"I wish what follows were a joke or some conspiracy theory, but it's not. The idea was the brainchild of the 14-year-old daughter of a computer scientist named Robert Glass. She "created a model of the way social distancing might slow the spread of the flu," and this was expanded upon by her father in a "simulation "proving" lockdowns could reduce an influenza epidemic in a hypothetical town of 10,000 people by 90 percent."

In 2007, predicated upon the strength of the simulated results, the CDC issued new guidance to "reduce transmission, from "voluntary isolation of ill adults" to "reducing density in public transit."

This was the moment, according to the New York Times, when Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions, or NPIs, became "official US policy," thus presenting the 2020 lockdowns as just an example of long-standing procedures, and totally understandable policymaking.

Berenson explodes that absurd contention:

Crucially, [the 2007 CDC paper] also contained a "Pandemic Severity Index" that included five categories. On the low end, Category 1 represented a normal flu season, which might kill up to 90,000 Americans. On the high end, a Category 5 pandemic, like the Spanish flu, would kill at least 1.8 million Americans.

Based on the CDC's scall, Sars-Cov-2 almost certainly should be classified as a Category 2 epidemic, meaning it will cause between 90,000 and 450,000 deaths. For an epidemic like that, the CDC merely said governments should consider school closures of less than four weeks, along with moderate efforts to reduce contacts among adults, such as telecommuting.

The prospect of closing all retail stores or offices is not even mentioned in the paper, not even for the most severe epidemics. (emphasis added)

In short, it was a high school sophomore who initially dreamed up the modern notion of lockdowns and social distancing. Her computer scientist father then created a compelling simulation involving 10,000 hypothetical people enduring a pandemic, and the CDC applied the hypothesis by creating some new interventions, though even those interventions certainly did not include recommendations for an economic lockdown, stay-at-home orders, or mask mandates.

In other words, economic and social lockdowns, stay-at-home orders, and mask mandates had all only worked in theory before 2020 but had never been shown to be effective in practice."

[gamewell45]

They are similar in death per 1 million population, but Sweden was wide open the entire time, now almost completely free of the virus problem.

Reported Cases and Deaths by Country, Territory, or Conveyance

From what I understand, Sweden took a big hit. Their outbreak is the 5th worst in the world per capita.

https://www.businessinsider.com/swed...-report-2020-5