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Most Christians have interpreted the sin of Sodom to have been homosexuality but the text is not clear on that point. The citizens of Sodom do demand "to know" Lot's guests so there are explicit references to homosexual behavior but is the real sin the intended homosexual act or the mistreatment of strangers or a lack of hospitality? It's an interesting question. What do you all think?
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If you don't mind, can you post relevant passages? I think so much of the Bible and Christianity is manipulated to serve Man's interests. There are many ways to interpret some of the texts and some have no problem using it for personal gain.Originally Posted by Mister D
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You don't have a bible?>
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I pasted Genesis Chapter 19 below. The story begins in Chapter 18 when God tells Abraham he plans to destroy the cities of the plain for their wickedness.
20 Then the LORD said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”
See, it's not at all clear what it is that the cities of the plain have done.
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Genesis 19
Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed
1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
“No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”
3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”
6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”
9 “Get out of our way,” they replied. “This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.
10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.
12 The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.”
14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry[a] his daughters. He said, “Hurry and get out of this place, because the LORD is about to destroy the city!” But his sons-in-law thought he was joking.
15 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, “Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished.”
16 When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for the LORD was merciful to them. 17 As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, “Flee for your lives! Don’t look back, and don’t stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!”
18 But Lot said to them, “No, my lords,[b] please! 19 Your[c] servant has found favor in your[d] eyes, and you[e] have shown great kindness to me in sparing my life. But I can’t flee to the mountains; this disaster will overtake me, and I’ll die. 20 Look, here is a town near enough to run to, and it is small. Let me flee to it—it is very small, isn’t it? Then my life will be spared.”
21 He said to him, “Very well, I will grant this request too; I will not overthrow the town you speak of. 22 But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it.” (That is why the town was called Zoar.[f])
23 By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the LORD out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot’s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.
27 Early the next morning Abraham got up and returned to the place where he had stood before the LORD. 28 He looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.
29 So when God destroyed the cities of the plain, he remembered Abraham, and he brought Lot out of the catastrophe that overthrew the cities where Lot had lived.
Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.
~Alain de Benoist
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In general terms, i feel as a Christian we are taught to love our brother, treat all as we would want to be treated, and not to judge. Judgment is God's role, not ours.
I can understand if people have issues with homosexuality, but I think it's more than a little presumptuous to conclude that you know what God wants. To me sinning is causing harm to others or one's self, and I don't see that present in homosexuality. There are plenty of devoted homosexuals who do not practice promiscuity, etc.
Anyway, sorry to take the thread off topic right as it starts....
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I wasn't sure if you were a KJV guy or notYou don't have a bible?
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to me the quoted passage sounds more like an indictment of rape than it does of homosexuality. it reads like a potential gang rape
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Not at all. That's kind of what we're talking about although I think that in this case the interpretation was an honest one. I just don't know if it's correct. It could very well be that the admonition in this story was understood differently by the ancient Hebrews than it has been their descendants including we of the Christian faith.
Homosexuality is explicitly condemned in other parts of the Bible but the attempted homosexual gang rape in Genesis may actually be just a detail.
Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.
~Alain de Benoist
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It is an attempted gang rape. The Bible can get pretty horrific.to me the quoted passage sounds more like an indictment of rape than it does of homosexuality. it reads like a potential gang rape
Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.
~Alain de Benoist
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I know of that well known passage about man will not lie down with man, but i thought in other places the Bible mentions homosexual activity without much of a protest. I thought it was pretty common back then and didn't have a social stigma?
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OK ;D So What Was Sodom's Sin? Allowing/encouraging gang rape. That's my final answer. 8)It is an attempted gang rape. The Bible can get pretty horrific.to me the quoted passage sounds more like an indictment of rape than it does of homosexuality. it reads like a potential gang rape
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