Bible Discussions.....

[Conley]

Interesting...all those years of civilization and they're still barely civilized.

[Mister D]

Interesting...all those years of civilization and they're still barely civilized.

Some argue Islam set them back!

[MMC]

In 2007-2008 Lithuianian Archs discovered what they are saying.....are the oldest Settlements found. Located in the Mandesh. This would be located in Afghanistan in Ghor.

Damascus is often claimed to be the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world, and evidence of settlement in the wider Barada basin dating back to 9000 BC exists. However within the area of Damascus there is no evidence for large-scale settlement until the second millennium BC.

Jericho- Traces of habitation from 9000 BC. Fortifications date to 6800 BC (or earlier), making Jericho the earliest known walled city.

Recent Discoveries in Turkey and India are pushing back the timeline by 2000-2500yrs. Before anything begins in Mesopatmia. They believe they have now found the Cituy of Varanasi believed to be the Home of Lord Shiva. They also just discovered another city under the ocean right off the Coast of Pakistan. They believe this is the City of Lord Krishna. Another city was discovered in the Indus Valley. 7500 BC, no walls, another that predates that Jewish History!

Satellite Imagery of the land mass underneath the Indian Ocean and Connecting to the African Shelf has now shown Structures under the Ocean. In which this land mass would have sunk before the flood. Structures all believed to predate anything coming out of the ME. Problem is they can't get to them.....Yet!

Recently in Turkey they just discovered a Holy Site or Temple.....dating back 12k leaving the Brews and Jericho miles and miles behind on the timeline. A group of people before the Copper age building and creating stone works without the use of so called tools. As they still have not found any. Yet is clear they have had to had some sort of tools to carve what they did.

Then there is Tenochtitlan in Mexico. 13k and with areas dating back over to 17k. Some they cannot even get a reading on.

Then there is PumaPunku in Boliva carbon 14 dating goes back 17k and then the readings go off the charts.

The evidence is starting to stack up.....and it looks like the Jews are looking a bit light on that history with facts and truth! Not surprising tho!

[Pendragon]

In order to establish who has the earliest civilization it is necessary to first define what one considers a civilization. There exists a gradient between nomadic tribes, the earliest colonies, and the later developing villages.

[Mister D]

In 2007-2008 Lithuianian Archs discovered what they are saying.....are the oldest Settlements found. Located in the Mandesh. This would be located in Afghanistan in Ghor.

Damascus is often claimed to be the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world, and evidence of settlement in the wider Barada basin dating back to 9000 BC exists. However within the area of Damascus there is no evidence for large-scale settlement until the second millennium BC.

Jericho- Traces of habitation from 9000 BC. Fortifications date to 6800 BC (or earlier), making Jericho the earliest known walled city.

Recent Discoveries in Turkey and India are pushing back the timeline by 2000-2500yrs. Before anything begins in Mesopatmia. They believe they have now found the Cituy of Varanasi believed to be the Home of Lord Shiva. They also just discovered another city under the ocean right off the Coast of Pakistan. They believe this is the City of Lord Krishna. Another city was discovered in the Indus Valley. 7500 BC, no walls, another that predates that Jewish History!

Satellite Imagery of the land mass underneath the Indian Ocean and Connecting to the African Shelf has now shown Structures under the Ocean. In which this land mass would have sunk before the flood. Structures all believed to predate anything coming out of the ME. Problem is they can't get to them.....Yet!

Recently in Turkey they just discovered a Holy Site or Temple.....dating back 12k leaving the Brews and Jericho miles and miles behind on the timeline. A group of people before the Copper age building and creating stone works without the use of so called tools. As they still have not found any. Yet is clear they have had to had some sort of tools to carve what they did.

Then there is Tenochtitlan in Mexico. 13k and with areas dating back over to 17k. Some they cannot even get a reading on.

Then there is PumaPunku in Boliva carbon 14 dating goes back 17k and then the readings go off the charts.

The evidence is starting to stack up.....and it looks like the Jews are looking a bit light on that history with facts and truth! Not surprising tho!

MMC, you just proved me right about Jericho and Turkey. Thanks for that. we may ignore the Ancient Aliens stuff. As for the "Brews", you seem to be having qute an argument with yourself. I sure hope you win. lol

[MMC]

Guess you can't read either.....anything built before 7k. Leaves your Brews and their History as just another notch on the timeline.

Albeit, one much later in time than the hoped for beliefs of the dazed and confused.

Hence your difficulty in understanding the mandesh. Oh and archeologists have known about the site in Mexico for decades that that carbon dating was older than 13k. There is no dispute on the carbon testing. Same testing that was done on Jericho! lmao!

[Mister D]

Guess you can't read either.....anything built before 7k. Leaves your Brews and their History as just another notch on the timeline.

Albeit, one much later in time than the hoped for beliefs of the dazed and confused.

Hence your difficulty in understanding the mandesh. Oh and archeologists have known about the site in Mexico for decades that that carbon dating was older than 13k. There is no dispute on the carbon testing. Same testing that was done on Jericho! lmao!

Again, you don't seem to understand that Genesis isn't taken as literal history. How many times must this be pointed out?

Thanks for provng me right abut Turkey and Jericho!

[MMC]

NP with validating what is already known. The better part is validating what was always known but never put out there until the age of computers.....huh?

Maybe not by the Christians it isnt'. Now the Brews thats a different story. If such was not the case they wouldn't be arguing the fact that the towers of Jericho were built 4000yrs before the Egyptians built the Pyrmaids. Course The Egyptians dispute this fact. As do all other countries when determining the oldest cities.
Its funny, really. It is very hard to discover which ancient city is the oldest and one of the main reasons for this is that so many countries and areas want to claim this fact without regard to scientific findings. There are many ancient cities still occupied today in many lands, especially in the middle east and all seem to claim their city as the oldest. Syria alone has several. Another problem is that is very hard to find records that date back to ancient times or none exist at all. If you find the ruins of an ancient city and they are claimed to be from 6,000 B.C. how do you substantiate this? That is the problem facing archaeologists studying this problem.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-...e1-626425.aspx

A "sensational" discovery of 75-century-old copper tools in Serbia is compelling scientists to reconsider existing theories about where and when man began using metal. Belgrade - axes, hammers, hooks and needles - were found interspersed with other artefacts from a settlement that burned down some 7,000 years ago at Plocnik, near Prokuplje and 200 km south of Belgrade.

Scientists had previously believed that the mining, extraction and manipulation of copper began in Asia Minor, spreading from there. With the find in Plocnik, parallel and simultaneous developments of those skills in several places now seem more likely, Pernicka said.

This is one of the Newer ones as well!

Which is why the shift is to settlements before the advent of cities. The other way they substantiate this is thru carbon 14 testing and Radon testing.

[Mister D]

So you were just validating what is already known but denying it at the same time? OK.

[MMC]

No.....I am saying your history of Genesis regardless of you taking it literally or not.....doesnt matter, doesnt matter.....if Christians believe it or not. The Jews do believe it!!!!!! Regardless of your rambling on!!!!!

Moreover of your limited response concerning Mexico and Puma Punku.....even tho they used the same testing they did on Jericho, leaves you looking a bit light on the side of facts now doesnt it. Both are older than anything you knew about. Moreover your failure to understand what is coming out of India and Pakistan has nothing to do with Turkey or Syria or Israel and Mesopotamia. Now does it?