Deputy gets shot by illegal in Florida...

[Green Arrow]

I agree they fired 60 or so times to many but,

swat found the perp hiding in the woods and he fired at the team,

they fired back.

It wouldn't have mattered. The cops themselves admitted that he was a dead man in their eyes from the murder of the cop long before they found him in the woods.

[Codename Section]

I agree they fired 60 or so times to many but,

swat found the perp hiding in the woods and he fired at the team,

they fired back.

Maybe he fired at the team. We'll never know because 68 bullets went into him. That was an undisciplined engagement, not at all a proper engagement from an elite team.

It doesn't bother people because allegedly the perp deserve it, but imagine you own a pit bull and he attacked and mauled to death the human that stole your purse or wallet. Do you keep the animal?

Sure he attacked the bad guy but he did so with unruly, undisciplined lethal force.
@Mr. Evil @Peter1469

What's a proper engagement and why can't we fire without it? What does the military do to you if you break the rules of engagement and why?

You do not want to have any SWAT team or cop that does this.

[Cthulhu]

The fact that the police are basically taking it upon themselves to be judge, jury, and executioner. Think about this, but substitute an average American instead of an illegal. Is this really behavior you want our already $#@!ed up police to engage in?

Facts are that it isn't an American, but if it were, I can't say I would be too sympathetic to his plight.

I am not a fan of cops - I'll be the first to admit it.

But what the cops did is near exactly what a state free society would do.

Kill my bro, I will come and kill you. It is as simple as that. We all want a stateless society, and we need to realize that this type of thing could easily happen in one. Just because the police did it against someone deserving makes precious little difference. A cop was killed, so the cops killed the guy who killed him. That is more or less how many people roll.

Sure it would have been nice to have a trial and such. But this world ain't perfect.

[Cthulhu]

There's no reason for it. SWAT is supposed to include snipers. Many of those snipers are sent to my old school where we train them.

We all receive training to--close your eyes @Chloe -- take out an individual over 1,000 yards away. I won't give exacts because it's not wise, but I know they could have hit the ground and taken a non-lethal shot at 600 easy. They wanted this guy dead.

While this is all well and good, did they have the assets necessary on site to make such a shot?

Not everybody packs their sniper rifle when they are going in as a SWAT element stacked up on doors.

Still, 68 shots? Come on... they could have done this with MUCH less ammo. 2 shots tops.

[Codename Section]

While this is all well and good, did they have the assets necessary on site to make such a shot?

Not everybody packs their sniper rifle when they are going in as a SWAT element stacked up on doors.

Still, 68 shots? Come on... they could have done this with MUCH less ammo. 2 shots tops.

I could have done it in one, but...

My point is that 68 is excessive. It's a gang bang by bloodthirsty $#@!s. You knew those guys in your platoon who should never be allowed to hold a rifle. This is a whole group of them.

It's not whether he deserved it or not, but if they are agents of the state whether or not they can keep their cool. Next time it can be one of you.

[Cthulhu]

Maybe he fired at the team. We'll never know because 68 bullets went into him. That was an undisciplined engagement, not at all a proper engagement from an elite team.

It doesn't bother people because allegedly the perp deserve it, but imagine you own a pit bull and he attacked and mauled to death the human that stole your purse or wallet. Do you keep the animal?

I'd give him a biscuit too.

Sure he attacked the bad guy but he did so with unruly, undisciplined lethal force.
@Mr. Evil @Peter1469

What's a proper engagement and why can't we fire without it? What does the military do to you if you break the rules of engagement and why?

You do not want to have any SWAT team or cop that does this.

Haven't read the article, but if you fire at people trained to shoot back. You're courting death.

Now, the count of 68 bullets in the body? Indeed, this is a SWAT team that needs dissolved. Unruly and trigger happy, not what you want behind a trigger.

[Cthulhu]

I could have done it in one, but...

My point is that 68 is excessive. It's a gang bang by bloodthirsty $#@!s. You knew those guys in your platoon who should never be allowed to hold a rifle. This is a whole group of them.

It's not whether he deserved it or not, but if they are agents of the state whether or not they can keep their cool. Next time it can be one of you.

No dispute on any point here. My concerns are the same as yours. The whole team should be disbanded.

[Codename Section]

I'd give him a biscuit too.

LOL, I believe that. I want a dog that stops with just taking someone down, not mauling them to death.

Haven't read the article, but if you fire at people trained to shoot back. You're courting death.

Agreed, if you did do that. That's why we have trials. Sorry, I don't trust the state as much as you. I'd trust a town vigilane squad more.

Now, the count of 68 bullets in the body? Indeed, this is a SWAT team that needs dissolved. Unruly and trigger happy, not what you want behind a trigger.

Nope.

[hanger4]

Maybe he fired at the team. We'll never know because 68 bullets went into him. That was an undisciplined engagement, not at all a proper engagement from an elite team.

It doesn't bother people because allegedly the perp deserve it, but imagine you own a pit bull and he attacked and mauled to death the human that stole your purse or wallet. Do you keep the animal?

Sure he attacked the bad guy but he did so with unruly, undisciplined lethal force.
@Mr. Evil @Peter1469

What's a proper engagement and why can't we fire without it? What does the military do to you if you break the rules of engagement and why?

You do not want to have any SWAT team or cop that does this.

The link said he fired at the team.

I've already said they went to far.

Not to mention I found another mention of the incident

and it's over 6 years old.

[Cthulhu]

LOL, I believe that. I want a dog that stops with just taking someone down, not mauling them to death.

I'll clarify. If the dog didn't stop when I commanded it, I would shoot it on the spot. But if I knew it would base on past behavior, I'd let it continue - then give it a biscuit. I don't mind a cannon, but I don't want a loose cannon.

Agreed, if you did do that. That's why we have trials. Sorry, I don't trust the state as much as you. I'd trust a town vigilane squad more.

I don't trust the state at all, but the methods used by the state in this instance are remarkably similar to the town vigilantes that could have dealt with this.