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    Why do you believe/disbelieve in god?

    Because I felt like having a pointless argument.
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    Mister D will be excited to see this.

    For me more than anything I believe in God because all of this had to come from somewhere. That's as succinctly as I can put it. If not God...what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conley View Post
    Mister D will be excited to see this.

    For me more than anything I believe in God because all of this had to come from somewhere. That's as succinctly as I can put it. If not God...what?
    We don't know yet. Everyone agrees on this (mostly). We have not proved or disproved god. And as the burden of proof is on those making the claim (god exists until we know he doesn't) I have to say that I don't believe in one.

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    I would offer that it is more likely that there was some sort of creation force than not one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Burns View Post
    We don't know yet. Everyone agrees on this (mostly). We have not proved or disproved god. And as the burden of proof is on those making the claim (god exists until we know he doesn't) I have to say that I don't believe in one.
    If you don't believe in God (which I'm not judging) how do you explain the existence of everything? From where did it originate?

    Let me put it another way, do you believe in any higher power at all? Or is it all just chance and random chaos, matter always existed and is just reformed for eons and eons.

    What if, at the boundaries of science, at the limits of our comprehension, there could exist something that we humans will never understand but is, for all intents and purposes, the Creator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I would offer that it is more likely that there was some sort of creation force than not one.
    Then what created said creation force? The only logical solution I have seen has been cyclic cosmology. An infinite cycle of big bangs and big crunches is the only way to sidestep the "first mover" problem and seems to be held in great regard and evidence by many physicists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conley View Post
    If you don't believe in God (which I'm not judging) how do you explain the existence of everything? From where did it originate?

    Let me put it another way, do you believe in any higher power at all? Or is it all just chance and random chaos, matter always existed and is just reformed for eons and eons.

    What if, at the boundaries of science, at the limits of our comprehension, there could exist something that we humans will never understand but is, for all intents and purposes, the Creator.
    Cyclic cosmology. For me, if we cannot currently explain a phenomena in science (here being the existence of matter) saying "Honestly, we don't know" is better than defaulting to a deity.

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    Science is often wrong though. I don't see cyclic cosmology and the existence of a creative force as being in conflict. Our understanding of physics does suggest that the Big Bang started things, and I've read different ideas as to whether the expansion of the universe is slowing down enough to actually eventually lead to a contraction or not. I haven't kept up on it - you probably know more than I do.

    What is the harm in 'defaulting to a deity'? Isn't it really another way of admitting we don't know and science can never hope to provide all the answers?

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    to err on the side of caution is preffered , I would personally rather believe in a master designer than to belive in random chance,
    The eastern world, it is exploding, violence flaring bullets loading. you are old enough to kill , but not for voting, this whole crazy world is just to frustrating, and you tell me over and over and over again my friend, you don't believe we are on the EVE of DESTRUCTION.


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