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    Why do you believe/disbelieve in god?

    Because I felt like having a pointless argument.
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    Mister D will be excited to see this.

    For me more than anything I believe in God because all of this had to come from somewhere. That's as succinctly as I can put it. If not God...what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conley View Post
    Mister D will be excited to see this.

    For me more than anything I believe in God because all of this had to come from somewhere. That's as succinctly as I can put it. If not God...what?
    We don't know yet. Everyone agrees on this (mostly). We have not proved or disproved god. And as the burden of proof is on those making the claim (god exists until we know he doesn't) I have to say that I don't believe in one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Burns View Post
    We don't know yet. Everyone agrees on this (mostly). We have not proved or disproved god. And as the burden of proof is on those making the claim (god exists until we know he doesn't) I have to say that I don't believe in one.
    If you don't believe in God (which I'm not judging) how do you explain the existence of everything? From where did it originate?

    Let me put it another way, do you believe in any higher power at all? Or is it all just chance and random chaos, matter always existed and is just reformed for eons and eons.

    What if, at the boundaries of science, at the limits of our comprehension, there could exist something that we humans will never understand but is, for all intents and purposes, the Creator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conley View Post
    If you don't believe in God (which I'm not judging) how do you explain the existence of everything? From where did it originate?

    Let me put it another way, do you believe in any higher power at all? Or is it all just chance and random chaos, matter always existed and is just reformed for eons and eons.

    What if, at the boundaries of science, at the limits of our comprehension, there could exist something that we humans will never understand but is, for all intents and purposes, the Creator.
    Cyclic cosmology. For me, if we cannot currently explain a phenomena in science (here being the existence of matter) saying "Honestly, we don't know" is better than defaulting to a deity.

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    I would offer that it is more likely that there was some sort of creation force than not one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I would offer that it is more likely that there was some sort of creation force than not one.
    Then what created said creation force? The only logical solution I have seen has been cyclic cosmology. An infinite cycle of big bangs and big crunches is the only way to sidestep the "first mover" problem and seems to be held in great regard and evidence by many physicists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Burns View Post
    Then what created said creation force? The only logical solution I have seen has been cyclic cosmology. An infinite cycle of big bangs and big crunches is the only way to sidestep the "first mover" problem and seems to be held in great regard and evidence by many physicists.
    Much like the concept of infinite space, I think there are certain concepts that the human mind will never really be able to grasp completely. You make a good point about who created the Creator, and if science accepts the idea of infinite space then I suppose it should also be able to accept the concept that God has always existed. Of course the counter argument to that could be that matter has always existed.

    There are plenty of people who will argue with you based on religion but I prefer a more scientific approach myself. I'm Christian but I don't necessarily disagree with Jews, Muslims, etc. I think we all have different names for the same Creator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conley View Post
    Much like the concept of infinite space, I think there are certain concepts that the human mind will never really be able to grasp completely. You make a good point about who created the Creator, and if science accepts the idea of infinite space then I suppose it should also be able to accept the concept that God has always existed. Of course the counter argument to that could be that matter has always existed.

    There are plenty of people who will argue with you based on religion but I prefer a more scientific approach myself. I'm Christian but I don't necessarily disagree with Jews, Muslims, etc. I think we all have different names for the same Creator.
    There is a quote about how if you want to understand how stupid humans are, try and grasp infinity. I'm not excluding the concept of infinity for a creator. But it should not be free from the discussion of the universe. Many astrophysicists have theorized that the gradual pull of all celestial objects to a specific region of space correlates with a big crunch, and big bang. The math checks out, but as our planet will not survive that long, it is speculation, as of now.

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