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    Quote Originally Posted by Paperback Writer View Post
    Then why bother voting or having political discourse if its all written in the stars for you?
    Because it doesn't have to stay that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paperback Writer View Post
    Then why bother voting or having political discourse if its all written in the stars for you?
    Check the Supreme Court and what president appointed who....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nic34 View Post
    Check the Supreme Court and what president appointed who....
    Then the president is not a figurehead as they've said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nic34 View Post
    Check the Supreme Court and what president appointed who....

    I'd suggest Rosen's The Supreme Court: The Personalities and Rivalries That Defined America for a good read on how after becoming justices many of them change their tune politically. Much as you might hope they'd be judicial activist in carrying out your agenda, it matters little which President nominated them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paperback Writer View Post
    Then the president is not a figurehead as they've said.


    Not sure where that got started. My earlier comment was simply what you see is what's presented to you by handlers. Presidents still run the show...or ought to, with Obama it's hard to know when he blames everyone else or claims not to have know and is caught lying and has broken nearly every promised used to get elected. --Preemptive: Bush was just as bad.
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