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    Madison's Introduction of the Bill of Rights

    we all or most of us know that James Madison is considered the father of the American Constitution. I came across this when I was doing some research, it is the original speech made by madison to the Congress.
    compare what he says in it and his proposals on the bill of rights to what we have today. it is amazing how one change of a word or miplaceent of a phrase can make such a difference.

    http://www.usconstitution.net/madisonbor.html

    especially this one.. if it had been inserted in the Constitution as origionally drafted there would be no confusion today on its meaning or its importance

    The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country; but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.
    The eastern world, it is exploding, violence flaring bullets loading. you are old enough to kill , but not for voting, this whole crazy world is just to frustrating, and you tell me over and over and over again my friend, you don't believe we are on the EVE of DESTRUCTION.


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    Religiously scrupulous?
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    Pacifists like the Quakers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Pacifists like the Quakers
    So if that had made it in, could people have used that defense to avoid being drafted into service during Vietnam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conley View Post
    So if that had made it in, could people have used that defense to avoid being drafted into service during Vietnam?

    I think they did, actually. I know Quakers were not required to serve in combat roles historically. I'd have to look it up though. Not sure,
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    Currently, the U.S. Selective Service System states, "Beliefs which qualify a registrant for conscientious objector status may be religious in nature, but don't have to be. Beliefs may be moral or ethical; however, a man's reasons for not wanting to participate in a war must not be based on politics, expediency, or self-interest. In general, the man's lifestyle prior to making his claim must reflect his current claims."[46] In the US, this applies to primary claims, that is, those filed on initial SSS registration. On the other hand, those who apply after either having registered without filing, and/or having attempted or effected a deferral, are specifically required to demonstrate a discrete and documented change in belief, including a precipitant, that converted a non-CO to a CO. The male reference is due to the current "male only" basis for conscription in the United States.
    In the United States, there are two main criteria for classification as a conscientious objector. First, the objector must be opposed to war in any form, Gillette v. United States, 401 U.S. 437. Second, the objection must be sincere, Witmer v. United States, 348 U.S. 375. That he must show that this opposition is based upon religious training and belief was no longer a criterion after cases broadened it to include non-religious moral belief, United States v. Seeger, 380 U.S. 163 and Welsh v. United States, 398 U.S. 333. COs willing to perform non-combatant military functions are classed 1-A-O by the U.S.; those unwilling to serve at all are 1-O.
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    Interesting, I hadn't heard of the CPS. I had heard of some being able to use the CO to avoid but thought it was limited to those like Quakers and was wondering if say, a guy who just goes to church every Sunday could use that. If not, maybe Madison's original language would have made such a thing possible?

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    I'm not sure how this works but it looks to me (and I thought so) like it's difficult. You can't just make something up. They will scrutinize your life pretty closely. I think Madison's langauge would have been clarified by legal precedent if that makes sense. For example, they would have dismissed the claims of people who suddenly became Quakers when war broke out.
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    The other it excludes is American Indians. They can take the oath and get out at any time they choose to. Even during war! No if ands or buts about it!
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