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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Thank you!

    I often don't find those labels, at least how they are used in the American context, particularly useful. I agree with you there.
    It's embarrassing as hell, isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spunkloaf View Post
    It's embarrassing as hell, isn't it?
    It's the culture we live in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spunkloaf View Post
    @D

    I don't have a problem with the Roman Catholic Church. Like so many people do when they don't understand something, I rebelled against the teachings of it while my youthful rebellion was in full swing. Speaking of people not understanding things...you should not judge liberalism so harshly by your limited knowledge of it.

    So let's assume the word of the bible is 100% preserved. The next question is, is it safe to assume that those who wrote the bible did so with 100% integrity and a complete understanding of whatever they were experiencing?


    I'm not attacking religion, these are legitimate questions.
    it is my understanding and belief that tthe Bible was writtten by men who were inspired by God to write down His plan for the Human race and its history from the Creation to its final outcome in the book of revelation, it has been proven over and over to be historically accurate, and archeologically accurate.
    The eastern world, it is exploding, violence flaring bullets loading. you are old enough to kill , but not for voting, this whole crazy world is just to frustrating, and you tell me over and over and over again my friend, you don't believe we are on the EVE of DESTRUCTION.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    If that wasn't my POV I wouldn't have said it. Isn't that implicit? Again, you either believe or you do not. It's up to you to decide. All I can say is try it out and see how it works for you.
    I didn't explain myself well enough. The way I see it...you can have a close spiritual friend who might agree with you that you both have the exact same ideas of God. Yet if your ideas would be somehow compared exactly as they are manifested in your mind, God would be a very different entity in each person's mind. That's what I meant by POV.

    I think sometime in the past, D, you asked me that question of belief differently. If I remember correctly it was something like "Do you accept Jesus Christ as your savior?" Is there a difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    $#@! Conley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spunkloaf View Post
    I didn't explain myself well enough. The way I see it...you can have a close spiritual friend who might agree with you that you both have the exact same ideas of God. Yet if your ideas would be somehow compared exactly as they are manifested in your mind, God would be a very different entity in each person's mind. That's what I meant by POV.

    I think sometime in the past, D, you asked me that question of belief differently. If I remember correctly it was something like "Do you accept Jesus Christ as your savior?" Is there a difference?
    That may be true but we are talking about a specific text. I understand and appreciate that said text is often interpreted slightly differently and sometimes much differently. I will always respect that as long as those interpretations are plausible and appropriate.

    I don't remember the context at all but accepting Christ as your savior is, IMO, what makes a Christian a Christian. For example, those who call themselves Christians but lack a belief in the divinity of Jesus Christ are not Christians. But I'm not sure what exactly we were discussing at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conley View Post
    Dude, Spunk's new sig is 1/4 the size of the old one!
    Mister Dictator. Yeah...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wingrider View Post
    it is my understanding and belief that tthe Bible was writtten by men who were inspired by God to write down His plan for the Human race and its history from the Creation to its final outcome in the book of revelation, it has been proven over and over to be historically accurate, and archeologically accurate.
    I won't deny for a second there are many historical, geographical and archeological consistencies in the Bible. (sorry I've not been capitalizing) Additionally I won't doubt that there are some great stories and lessons which have stood the test of time as an influence on human conduct. That's what makes the book so interesting to believers and nonbelievers. Let me also point out, however, there are lots of elements which do not make sense which require a leap of faith. These parts are the ones I'm having trouble with.
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    I don't always take the bible literally so the search for archaeological evidence is sometimes, IMO, a fool's errand. I've learned not to dispute the details with fellow believers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    That may be true but we are talking about a specific text. I understand and appreciate that said text is often interpreted slightly differently and sometimes much differently. I will always respect that as long as those interpretations are plausible and appropriate.
    Fair enough. But who decides if those interpretations are plausible and appropriate? Is that why we have different kinds of Christian churches? If so, then a person could not possibly be absolutely sure of the most plausible interpretation of the written word of God until they have sampled an interpretation from every church. If the purpose of religion was to find real answers (which I'm not saying it is) then this would create a huge problem.

    I don't remember the context at all but accepting Christ as your savior is, IMO, what makes a Christian a Christian. For example, those who call themselves Christians but lack a belief in the divinity of Jesus Christ are not Christians. But I'm not sure what exactly we were discussing at the time.
    I'm not a Christian then, and I don't believe the Bible correctly portrays the word of God....in the same way as other people do.
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