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    Quote Originally Posted by wingrider View Post
    also on the Noahs ark thing.. God gave man an additional 120 years from the time he told noah he was going to send a flood, and instead of repenting and turning back to God, the human race went further and further into depravity

    also consider this Genesis tells us that fallen angels were having intercourse with humans and producing offsprng that changed the dna basically creating mutants,,

    "When men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair; and they took to wife such of them as they chose. Then the LORD said, 'My spirit shall not abide in man for ever, for he is flesh, but his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.'

    "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown. The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the LORD was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the LORD said, 'I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the ground, man and beast and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.'

    "But Noah found favor [grace] in the eyes of the LORD. These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation; Noah walked with God. And Noah had three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

    "Now the earth was [thoroughly] corrupt in God's sight, and the earth was filled [continually] with violence. And God saw the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth." (Genesis 6:1-12)

    http://www.ldolphin.org/flood.shtml
    Yeah that's definitely one of the weird spectacles of the bible.
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    God (Holy Spirit) and Human Incarnation

    STATEMENT: - MATHEW 10: 40

    Lord Jesus was the human incarnation of the Holy Spirit. The human body of Holy Jesus is like the metallic wire, which was all over, pervaded by the Holy Spirit. Veda says ‘Antarbahischa’ which means that the Holy Spirit pervades all over the body of Human Incarnation. Wherever you touch the wire the electric shock is given. Similarly the entire human body of Holy Jesus is holy. The holiness is the nature of Holy Spirit just like the shock is the property of electricity.

    As the electricity cannot be separated from the wire, the Holy Spirit cannot be separated from the Holy Jesus. So here the Holy Spirit is the Holy Jesus. Holy Jesus refers this Holy Spirit as His Father. He tells that He was sent by His father as a messenger. Though He and His father are one and the same, He speaks like this for which there is a practical reason i.e., every human being repels with another human being. A man cannot accept another man as God due to Jealousy and Egoism. Bhagavatgita says, “A man will insult Me when I come here in human form (Avajananti mam….)”. For this purpose Holy Jesus wants Himself to be called only as the messenger of the Holy Spirit by the disciples whenever He is introduced to the public. If He tells the truth the egoistic public will not hear even what He preaches and will reject Him. Therefore He is telling His disciples to introduce Him as a messenger only. Ofcourse, the disciples are really the messengers of Holy Jesus.

    Holy Spirit has taken over the human body of Holy Jesus and pervaded all over the body to preach the divine knowledge to this world. The same Holy Spirit is sending the disciples for the propagation of the Divine knowledge. Both the body of Holy Jesus and the disciples are instruments of the Holy Spirit chosen for different purposes. The Holy Spirit is preaching through the body of Holy Jesus and is propagating the divine knowledge through disciples. Therefore if you respect the disciple you are respecting the Holy Spirit indirectly. Though both the instruments exist like this, the Holy Spirit is present in Jesus and is not present in the disciples.

    Due to this difference the disciple is an indirect instrument and the direct instrument is Holy Jesus. The disciple propagates the divine knowledge after hearing from the Holy Jesus. Therefore when such disciple is respected, Holy Jesus is respected first and then the Holy Spirit. But among the disciples there may be some person who cannot repeat what Holy Jesus exactly preached. In such a case the Holy Spirit will take over the body of that disciple and preaches (Mathew 10: 20). Such a disciple differs from Holy Jesus because the Holy Spirit resides in that disciple for some time only where as the Holy Spirit resides in Jesus all the time.

    Holy Jesus is telling that He is the messenger of the Holy Spirit and He is also telling that the disciple is His messenger. He is giving the same status to Himself and the disciple by telling like this. The reason is that some disciple may become jealous in future if He says that He Himself is the Holy Spirit where as the disciple is His messenger only. The difference in the status may bring jealousy. Therefore He is maintaining the equal status so that no devotee becomes jealous of Jesus in the future. Due to jealousy the disciple may slip from Holy Jesus.

    When He says that He is only the messenger, this shows the humble and submissiveness of Holy Jesus. He wants His disciples to be humble and submissive to the Holy Spirit through out their lives. For this purpose He sets Himself as an ideal. The Holy Spirit present in the human body of Holy Jesus is the essence of true and infinite knowledge as Veda says “Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma….” Humbleness and submissiveness are the fruits of the Divine Knowledge. Therefore the humbleness and submissiveness are the qualities of the Holy Spirit itself. This means whatever Holy Jesus speaks is the statement of the Holy Spirit only.

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    I just want to reiterate that I have respect for religion, even as a non-believer. Anything which survives the test of time in our culture certainly has some legitimacy in one form or another. I should point out again, though, that the collective perception of God is severely fragmented. In some cases, the perception of God is even biased or narcissistic. What I mean by that is some (but not all) believers tend to make their perception of God work in their favor, rather than to search for truth. A great example of this is when certain people proclaim that God hates $#@!s. No, God does not hate $#@!s. You hate $#@!s, and you're creating an perception of God to reflect your opinions, rather than to really understand what God is about.

    I can't even find it in myself to have disdain for these types of anti-homosexuality believers, because again--their perception of God is only influenced by what is in front of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spunkloaf View Post
    I just want to reiterate that I have respect for religion, even as a non-believer. Anything which survives the test of time in our culture certainly has some legitimacy in one form or another. I should point out again, though, that the collective perception of God is severely fragmented. In some cases, the perception of God is even biased or narcissistic. What I mean by that is some (but not all) believers tend to make their perception of God work in their favor, rather than to search for truth. A great example of this is when certain people proclaim that God hates $#@!s. No, God does not hate $#@!s. You hate $#@!s, and you're creating an perception of God to reflect your opinions, rather than to really understand what God is about.

    I can't even find it in myself to have disdain for these types of anti-homosexuality believers, because again--their perception of God is only influenced by what is in front of them.
    while it is true that God doesn't hate " $#@!s " he does hate what they do read exodus 18 and you will find it.. God loves everyone.. but he hates sin.
    The eastern world, it is exploding, violence flaring bullets loading. you are old enough to kill , but not for voting, this whole crazy world is just to frustrating, and you tell me over and over and over again my friend, you don't believe we are on the EVE of DESTRUCTION.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wingrider View Post
    while it is true that God doesn't hate " $#@!s " he does hate what they do read exodus 18 and you will find it.. God loves everyone.. but he hates sin.
    I'm familiar with what it says in the bible. I'm unconvinced that the bible directly conveys that homosexual activity is a sin, per the word of God. I think that it's easy to interpret it as such, but I think it is interpreted poorly. Here's a question for you. Why would God design people to be attracted to the same sex, and then condemn them for acting upon it?

    I'm a homosexual, and I can attest that it is impossible for me to find women attractive. I have tried relentlessly, because I was raised to believe that homosexuality is a sin. So when I discovered my own feelings, I tried to convert myself, hide my feelings, fake an interest in women hoping that it will become the real thing, and I tried praying to become "normal." It was hopeless and I hated myself. I can't count the number of times I thought about suicide. I once came close to trying it, but never really attempted it. Others have attempted and succeeded with suicide. And for what?

    With that said, I have my urges like everybody else. It's normal for everybody to have sexual urges. I won't hold back from physically expressing that just because others think it's a sin. It can damage anybody's mental health to suppress their urges and refrain from activity they feel is right. That goes fort gay or straight sex.

    I don't mind that you believe homosexual activity is a sin. I've grown to accept that people will be people, and I have no hard feelings about it. Keep in mind, it's hard to grasp any concept of what God really wants for each individual. If you truly feel in your heart that homosexual activity is a sin, perhaps it's because you personally find it to be disgusting--and that's completely fine. If so, it's easy to embrace that as a social standard because many others feel exactly the way you do.

    Ask yourself if that is a truly original feeling which you have come to accept on your own terms, or if it was more or less inspired by your community. If it was not socially deplorable for people of the same sex to engage in sexual activities, would you truly believe it is a sin? Why? Please don't use procreation as an answer. We both know that men and women aren't consciously thinking about making babies when they get the urge to do the nasty.
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    I can't imagine a God which hates anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spunkloaf View Post
    I'm familiar with what it says in the bible. I'm unconvinced that the bible directly conveys that homosexual activity is a sin, per the word of God. I think that it's easy to interpret it as such, but I think it is interpreted poorly. Here's a question for you. Why would God design people to be attracted to the same sex, and then condemn them for acting upon it?

    I'm a homosexual, and I can attest that it is impossible for me to find women attractive. I have tried relentlessly, because I was raised to believe that homosexuality is a sin. So when I discovered my own feelings, I tried to convert myself, hide my feelings, fake an interest in women hoping that it will become the real thing, and I tried praying to become "normal." It was hopeless and I hated myself. I can't count the number of times I thought about suicide. I once came close to trying it, but never really attempted it. Others have attempted and succeeded with suicide. And for what?

    With that said, I have my urges like everybody else. It's normal for everybody to have sexual urges. I won't hold back from physically expressing that just because others think it's a sin. It can damage anybody's mental health to suppress their urges and refrain from activity they feel is right. That goes fort gay or straight sex.

    I don't mind that you believe homosexual activity is a sin. I've grown to accept that people will be people, and I have no hard feelings about it. Keep in mind, it's hard to grasp any concept of what God really wants for each individual. If you truly feel in your heart that homosexual activity is a sin, perhaps it's because you personally find it to be disgusting--and that's completely fine. If so, it's easy to embrace that as a social standard because many others feel exactly the way you do.

    Ask yourself if that is a truly original feeling which you have come to accept on your own terms, or if it was more or less inspired by your community. If it was not socially deplorable for people of the same sex to engage in sexual activities, would you truly believe it is a sin? Why? Please don't use procreation as an answer. We both know that men and women aren't consciously thinking about making babies when they get the urge to do the nasty.
    I like your response , spunk , it was civil, forthright and honest, i really appreaciate it.. you see, personally I am ambivlent about homosexuality for me it is whatever floats your boat after all who am I to judge, I have my own sins to worry about, one of them is lust of the eyes, really hard to control, but I try, sometimes I even think that
    god should make me blind so I won't be tempted that way,, but of course he doesn't do that.. I really don't know what to say to you I do know that God calls a man being with another man an abomination and that is found in leviticus chapter 18, but I think that your sins are between you and your creator and not for me to judge or even to comment on, again I really appreciate you not going off and calling me a homophobe and stuff cause really I don't care.. I am trying my best to live like Christ would have me do, .. love, patience long suffering etc,, most of the time it works well until someone really ticks me off then my old sin nature kicks in and I lash out,,
    The eastern world, it is exploding, violence flaring bullets loading. you are old enough to kill , but not for voting, this whole crazy world is just to frustrating, and you tell me over and over and over again my friend, you don't believe we are on the EVE of DESTRUCTION.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wingrider View Post
    I like your response , spunk , it was civil, forthright and honest, i really appreaciate it.. you see, personally I am ambivlent about homosexuality for me it is whatever floats your boat after all who am I to judge, I have my own sins to worry about, one of them is lust of the eyes, really hard to control, but I try, sometimes I even think that
    god should make me blind so I won't be tempted that way,, but of course he doesn't do that.. I really don't know what to say to you I do know that God calls a man being with another man an abomination and that is found in leviticus chapter 18, but I think that your sins are between you and your creator and not for me to judge or even to comment on, again I really appreciate you not going off and calling me a homophobe and stuff cause really I don't care.. I am trying my best to live like Christ would have me do, .. love, patience long suffering etc,, most of the time it works well until someone really ticks me off then my old sin nature kicks in and I lash out,,
    Great reply Wing.

    I'm no bible scholar, but I've read that Leviticus also prohibits the eating of pork. Is that right?

    I just googled and I have other questions about Leviticus, but I will hold off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wingrider View Post
    I like your response , spunk , it was civil, forthright and honest, i really appreaciate it.. you see, personally I am ambivlent about homosexuality for me it is whatever floats your boat after all who am I to judge, I have my own sins to worry about, one of them is lust of the eyes, really hard to control, but I try, sometimes I even think that
    god should make me blind so I won't be tempted that way,, but of course he doesn't do that.. I really don't know what to say to you I do know that God calls a man being with another man an abomination and that is found in leviticus chapter 18, but I think that your sins are between you and your creator and not for me to judge or even to comment on, again I really appreciate you not going off and calling me a homophobe and stuff cause really I don't care.. I am trying my best to live like Christ would have me do, .. love, patience long suffering etc,, most of the time it works well until someone really ticks me off then my old sin nature kicks in and I lash out,,
    Thanks. I know alot of people do take others' beliefs personally. I have come to realize there is no need to. If we were all meant to believe the same things, we would have to live the same lives. I can't expect people to abandon their beliefs out of empathy for my circumstances. That's extremely selfish, and too much to ask from anybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conley View Post
    Great reply Wing.

    I'm no bible scholar, but I've read that Leviticus also prohibits the eating of pork. Is that right?

    I just googled and I have other questions about Leviticus, but I will hold off.
    That ties back in with my question of what things are taken literally in the bible.
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