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Thread: Economics is Fun, Part 10: Taxation

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingWave View Post
    The general issue is that what is flat? or rather what exactly are we taxing the tax rates on? we'd agree that disposable income for a guy making close to minimal wage is nowhere the same as a wealthy person as a purpotion to his income, so a poor guy's 10 % might really impair his ability to survive but a rich guys' 10% may make almost no difference to him (marginal utility issues), so that makes the whole issue so much more complicated. and as long as we have some sort of deductable in there (like a minimum threshhold where you don't need to pay) then it's still not flat at all when it comes out, only a arbitrary flat rate.

    And besides the point, if we're going to really go by the "fair" logic, the good ole medieval head tax (where everyone literrally pays the exactly same #) would be the most ... fair... right? afterall why should Bill Gates pay a million bucks just because he makes a billion.. he's still one man just like you. of course with this tax system you basically have to remove about 99% of government spending



    And again we come to the more basic matter of the guys closer to the bottom would end up paying much more % of their income on basic consumptions, thus in effect imposing a regressive tax instead.

    This is a complicated issue to be sure... at the end of the day the progressive tax rate is generally justified by the logic that the wealthier you are, the purportion of desposable income is going to be higher too.

    One would need to give a thought here though, even after taking out the defense spending factor, the US in general is still spending a higher purportion of their GDP on the budget while it's social net system is not exactly European level either. so why? why is the budget in the US seem to be getting a dime for the dollar these days? yeah government is never going to be the most efficent thing ever, but there's still definately a (gigantic) difference between say.. the government efficency of Singapore then say... Greece.

    And even defense budget wise, yes the US have the largest presence, but supposedly it should also have the advantage in production of scale, for example it is insanely unpractical for Taiwan here to build our own Submarines, since we would at best need about a dozen and more realistically more like 6-8 AND have no hope of selling them to anyone else. meanwhile the US have a standing fleet of 70+ subs and is planing on quiet a few more.

    There must be some sort of streamlining potential in the US public sector that can retain most of it's use while cutting down the cost.
    I'd ask you to read the Fair Tax here: http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer It may address your concerns.
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    Yes, please read the link Stoney posted. It will explain about rebates for basics, no taxes on used items like homes or autos, etc.

    If you want to compare governments, look at http://www.heritage.org/index/default

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    It's a nice article, though there are a few point I want to debate , I'll write a more thorough post on it when I can find the time.

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    Look forward to it!

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