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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Good question. They were more apparent in the past, but the cost of getting elected excludes most. Like him or not, I suppose Ron Paul is an idealist, and one of the few who could afford to finance his political career. Green Party candidates? Generally speaking they don't get elected so no one gets to know who they are.
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    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/can-rus...aine-1.2549670
    "The split of Ukraine is not in the interest of common people, it's not in the interest of business, it's not in the interest of the oligarchs," he said in an interview.


    For the moment, anyway, parliament "is working right now and there are a lot of deputies … so we still have government," said Vladimir Terren on an outing to view the recently departed Viktor Yanukovych's palatial presidential compound just outside the city......


    .....With the Sochi Olympics over, the fear that Russia may intervene militarily is now being given new currency by many here.


    The Russian media has depicted the Maidan protesters as thugs and thieves attacking government forces as opposed to the other way around.


    And late Monday, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, a close Putin confidante, was quoted by Russian news agencies referring to these latest Ukrainian developments as "an armed mutiny."


    "The legitimacy of a whole number of organs of power that function there raises great doubts," Medvedev said.


    "Some of our foreign, Western partners think otherwise. This is some kind of aberration of perception when people call legitimate what is essentially the result of an armed mutiny."


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    The Soviets gave the Crimea to the Ukraine, and yet the Crimea is very near to the Russians and though I make no predictions, were there a break up, it would come from the Crimea rather than by a Russian take over.

    I say this because on German TV (I think it was) a lot of people in the Crimea were interviewed and they are angry at the overthrow. (I say overthrow due to the way the President hauled ass, apparently in fear)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Rockatansky View Post
    The real question here is whether the Ukraine will somehow get the 35B or so dollars that they need to avoid financial collapse. If they collapse, there is certainly incentive for the Russians to take over either economically or politically.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    There are only two types of people who want to go into politics (particularly Federal and State) - idealists and the other kind. The other kind are poly-sci majors or lawyers who know that a political career is a short cut to positions on boards of directors, CEO positions, a network of people who can advance your career and generally really high paying work - in short it is how you get rich quicker. The idealists are lucky if they can get any financial support, whereas the latter know exactly who will finance their political career for a price.
    Have to disagree.

    Those entering modern elective politics are first off egomaniacs.

    Getting elected has much less being to do with being the best person for the position. And much more to do with the talent/strategy of simply being the best at getting elected...



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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Have to disagree.

    Those entering modern elective politics are first off egomaniacs.

    Getting elected has much less being to do with being the best person for the position. And much more to do with the talent/strategy of simply being the best at getting elected...

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    I don't deny that being an egomaniac is not an "asset" for the position, but I disagree that all politicians are egomaniacs. Some are just pragmatic about getting wealthy and having power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I don't deny that being an egomaniac is not an "asset" for the position, but I disagree that all politicians are egomaniacs. Some are just pragmatic about getting wealthy and having power.
    There aren't many "shy" politicians. Don't get between them and a microphone or a tv camera.

    It's all show biz and theater.

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    Russia will not invade the Ukraine without an invite, which I am sure they are getting behind the scenes. I am doubtful this will happen based only on what is written in the Russian papers and the Russian people's less than enthusiastic desire to have Ukrainians pour back in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alyosha View Post
    Russia will not invade the Ukraine without an invite, which I am sure they are getting behind the scenes. I am doubtful this will happen based only on what is written in the Russian papers and the Russian people's less than enthusiastic desire to have Ukrainians pour back in.
    Pour back into where...?


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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Pour back into where...?


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    It would appear Russia, would it not? In the early 2000's there was a huge tide of Ukrainians and individuals from the FSRs who ran to Moscow and St. Petersburg for work when western nations saw them as VISA flight risks and refused to let them escape the poverty of their state.
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