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    Look at who funds their research--people invested in the outcome. Look at who now funds the opposing team. Hint: not oil companies, but scientists themselves.
    And if we should die tonight
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    I agree the planet is warming. It's the "why" that I am still ruminating on. What if this is "normal" for the 4.5 billion year old planet to go through periodically?

    What if we try to curb CO2 and it has a harmful effect on plant life? What if we try to curb CO2 and then have volcanic activity?

    I just think we need more time to consider this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alyosha View Post
    @midcan5

    one of the reasons I've always found you to be loathsome is because you genuinely feel you're better than other people. It's this type of attitude, this disdain for a segment of the population you know little about which proves it. Bill Clinton spoke with this vernacular and he was measurably brighter than you are. Accents do not make one ignorant, small minded attitudes and spirits do.

    You stand on the shoulders of others, cite their work, most of the time without even understanding it, and in your own mind gain some sort of intellectual credit for it.

    Pathetic and wormy.
    Excellent analysis of the no count known as midcan5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alyosha View Post
    I agree the planet is warming. It's the "why" that I am still ruminating on. What if this is "normal" for the 4.5 billion year old planet to go through periodically?

    What if we try to curb CO2 and it has a harmful effect on plant life? What if we try to curb CO2 and then have volcanic activity?

    I just think we need more time to consider this.
    There are so many other pressing pollution issues that we can actually fix. Why this tilting at windmills? It is almost as if the warmists are deliberately distracting us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    There are so many other pressing pollution issues that we can actually fix. Why this tilting at windmills? It is almost as if the warmists are deliberately distracting us.
    I agree. There are other reasons to address pollution, other than whether or not it is producing climate change, such as affecting air and water quality, thereby impacting human as well as animal and plant health.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Alyosha View Post
    @midcan5

    one of the reasons I've always found you to be loathsome is because you genuinely feel you're better than other people. It's this type of attitude, this disdain for a segment of the population you know little about which proves it. Bill Clinton spoke with this vernacular and he was measurably brighter than you are. Accents do not make one ignorant, small minded attitudes and spirits do.

    You stand on the shoulders of others, cite their work, most of the time without even understanding it, and in your own mind gain some sort of intellectual credit for it.

    Pathetic and wormy.

    Worse is the misappropriation of Samuel Becket's image for avatar. The attitude, ironically, just doesn't fit: Of his art, Beckett said: "I realized that Joyce had gone as far as one could in the direction of knowing more, in control of one’s material. He was always adding to it; you only have to look at his proofs to see that. I realized that my own way was in impoverishment, in lack of knowledge and in taking away, in subtracting rather than adding."
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    Quote Originally Posted by nic34 View Post
    OK you win. We'll just ignore the preponderance of evidence:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...global-warming


    Science doesn't work by consensus, and that what your link is all about in its attack on deniers who are just as bad as alarmist warmist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alyosha View Post
    I agree the planet is warming. It's the "why" that I am still ruminating on. What if this is "normal" for the 4.5 billion year old planet to go through periodically?

    What if we try to curb CO2 and it has a harmful effect on plant life? What if we try to curb CO2 and then have volcanic activity?

    I just think we need more time to consider this.

    Agree in part for from all I see coming out of science the predictions for warming are all over the place (not unlike prediction of the Keydnesian multiplier effect).

    I think what we need to look at instead of focusing on stopping what man is doing to his environment, which would be ruinous economically, we should look for ways to adapt to it.
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    Or research advanced technology. A win - win.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Agree in part for from all I see coming out of science the predictions for warming are all over the place (not unlike prediction of the Keydnesian multiplier effect).

    I think what we need to look at instead of focusing on stopping what man is doing to his environment, which would be ruinous economically, we should look for ways to adapt to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Or research advanced technology. A win - win.
    Exactly, advanced technology would help us adapt.
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