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    Brass Knuckles Against Bells and Whistles

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Many employer / employee relationships like this turned out very poorly for the employees (like bankruptcy). I would never own more than a nominal amount of stock in a place that I worked for. I would have to be in charge, or very high in the decision making process to invest heavily in one business.
    If the employees owned the stock, they would have first-hand knowledge of how the company was being mismanaged. Absentee stockholders have to rely on secondary sources. The employees would far more quickly fire the managers and set the company on a profitable course.
    On the outside, trickling down on the Insiders

    We won't live free until the Democrats, and their voters, live in fear.

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    Who Says That the Military Can't Help the Economy?

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    ...actually, by all accounts, he turned the US around from what the previous Demorats had done before him...
    Not through his Voodoo Economics. He threatened OPEC and forced them to lower oil prices. A barrel at the barrel of a gun. Oinkonomists won't tell you this because it's not what they are paid to tell you.
    On the outside, trickling down on the Insiders

    We won't live free until the Democrats, and their voters, live in fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabuki Joe View Post
    Cuts me to the heart...where are men like this now? Where?

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    This is idealism. You need to research the history of employee owned companies. Learn of their pain.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sage of Main Street View Post
    If the employees owned the stock, they would have first-hand knowledge of how the company was being mismanaged. Absentee stockholders have to rely on secondary sources. The employees would far more quickly fire the managers and set the company on a profitable course.
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    Capitalism Is Communism for the Rich

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    This is idealism. You need to research the history of employee owned companies. Learn of their pain.
    I'm not referring to a few higher-ups going into hock to buy up the stock, eventually being unable to pay off the leveraged buyout. Instead, every employee gets an equal share and dividends, but votes on different salaries for those whose positions produce more for the whole company. Please comment on the history of that, if there is any.

    Either the employees start the company that way, or they confiscate the stock of the outsider parasites without compensation. That would be no more immoral than when the former Communist governments handed over their ownership of all businesses to the workers without being compensated. Most of that was done without bloodshed.

    If You Own a Man's Work, You Own the Man. Owners aren't earners; a stock certificate or title is a piece of paper a real man would put his fist through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    If this before or after he forgot?
    Is that a sentence?
    "An army, great in space, may offer opposition in a brief span of time.
    One man, brief in space, must spread his opposition
    across a period of many years if he is
    to have a chance of succeeding"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabuki Joe View Post
    Confusing isn't it ... one day tebaggers are the second-coming-of-Reagan and the next day Reaganites are Libs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sage of Main Street View Post
    I'm not referring to a few higher-ups going into hock to buy up the stock, eventually being unable to pay off the leveraged buyout. Instead, every employee gets an equal share and dividends, but votes on different salaries for those whose positions produce more for the whole company. Please comment on the history of that, if there is any.

    Either the employees start the company that way, or they confiscate the stock of the outsider parasites without compensation. That would be no more immoral than when the former Communist governments handed over their ownership of all businesses to the workers without being compensated. Most of that was done without bloodshed.

    If You Own a Man's Work, You Own the Man. Owners aren't earners; a stock certificate or title is a piece of paper a real man would put his fist through.
    I know what you are talking about. It was a fad near the end of the US manufacturing boom up north. Lots and lots of workers lost their retirement because they had it all in the business they worked for, and that business went bust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exotix View Post
    Confusing isn't it ... one day tebaggers are the second-coming-of-Reagan and the next day Reaganites are Libs.
    The only question about Reagan for modern libertarians is whether he was too much of a statist. I am on the line between conservative and libertarian. And think that Reagan did the best under the government he had to work with. After the eventual collapse we will naturally move more libertarian.
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    All for One, and That One All for Himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I know what you are talking about. It was a fad near the end of the US manufacturing boom up north. Lots and lots of workers lost their retirement because they had it all in the business they worked for, and that business went bust.
    Did they have to buy the stock, or was the business originally self-capitalized beginning from its incorporation? The only difference between Capitalism and feudalism was that Capitalism piggybacked off science and technology, which it did nothing to create. So their claim to usefulness has been a self-serving but well-financed lie.
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