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    We Kill People Based on Metadata, says General Hayden

    http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog...ased-metadata/

    Supporters of the National Security Agency inevitably defend its sweeping collection of phone and Internet records on the ground that it is only collecting so-called “metadata”—who you call, when you call, how long you talk. Since this does not include the actual content of the communications, the threat to privacy is said to be negligible. That argument is profoundly misleading.


    Of course knowing the content of a call can be crucial to establishing a particular threat. But metadata alone can provide an extremely detailed picture of a person’s most intimate associations and interests, and it’s actually much easier as a technological matter to search huge amounts of metadata than to listen to millions of phone calls. As NSA General Counsel Stewart Baker has at Johns Hopkins University, my opponent, General Michael Hayden, former director of the NSA and the CIA, called Baker’s comment “absolutely correct,” and raised him one, asserting, “We kill people based on metadata.”


    It is precisely this power to collect our metadata that has prompted one of Congress’s most bipartisan initiatives in recent years. On May 7, the House Judiciary Committee voted 32-0 to adopt an amended form of the USA Freedom Act, a bill to rein in NSA spying on Americans, initially proposed by Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy and Republican Congressman James Sensenbrenner. On May 8, the House Intelligence Committee, which has until now opposed any real reform of the NSA, also unanimously approved the same bill. And the Obama administration has welcomed the development.


    For some, no doubt, the very fact that this bill has attracted such broad bipartisan approval will be grounds for suspicion. After all, this is the same Congress that repeatedly reauthorized the 2001 USA Patriot Act, a law that was also proposed by Sensenbrenner and on which the bulk collection of metadata was said to rest—even if many members of Congress were not aware of how the NSA was using (or abusing) it. And this is the same administration that retained the NSA’s data collection program, inherited from its predecessor, as long as it was a secret, and only called for reform when the American people learned from the disclosures of NSA contractor Edward Snowden that the government was routinely collecting phone and Internet records on all of us. So, one might well ask, if Congress and the White House, Republicans and Democrats, liberals and conservatives, all now agree on reform, how meaningful can the reform be?

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    NSA is all ears on this subject.

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    Very true.

    Think if I said We Kill People Based on Metadata, you gay racist misogynist freak people would care?

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    Can't believe they are still lying about bulk collection being this important program. The NSA and CIA already had actionable intelligence on 9/11 without the bulk collection of metadata, they simply failed to act on it. The bulk metadata program is just another Trojan Horse meant to keep people in tiny little corporate-made boxes.
    Power always thinks it has a great soul, and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak. And that it is doing God service when it is violating all His laws.
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    They have better ways of getting intelligence on AQ. This is about getting intel on us.


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    There are new leaks about to come out. This NSA stuff was apparently released in parts.

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    I was never here.
    I am tired of everyone fighting with each other. This is all by design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texan View Post
    I was never here.
    To late, you done been meta..ed
    It's ok if you disagree with me. I can't force you to be right.

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