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    I (and most everyone) also say no more needless wars. Especially since the war of my era (Vietnam) was IMO, not only a needless war, but an immoral one as well. But World War II was far from needless, and the wars being fought nowadays (Iraq and Afghanistan) may be even more necessary than World war II was.

    I'm torn now between trying to keep this thread limited to just honoring the deceased military members, and giving my explanations of why their sacrifices were far from needless. I'll leave it at that, but if anyone wants to know my take on the latter day wars, feel free to PM me, anytime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by protectionist View Post
    I (and most everyone) also say no more needless wars. Especially since the war of my era (Vietnam) was IMO, not only a needless war, but an immoral one as well. But World War II was far from needless, and the wars being fought nowadays (Iraq and Afghanistan) may be even more necessary than World war II was.

    I'm torn now between trying to keep this thread limited to just honoring the deceased military members, and giving my explanations of why their sacrifices were far from needless. I'll leave it at that, but if anyone wants to know my take on the latter day wars, feel free to PM me, anytime.
    Respectfully,
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    These sorts of things will always go their own way. What you ought to take faith in @protectionist is the fact that everyone in this thread recognises their service and their lives. They are and were valued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    I won't argue except to say that's a rather shallow view in my humble opinion.

    Richard Archer, Michael West and George Crabtree all died defending, not this country but South Vietnam, who really didn't give a $#@!. Archer and Crabtree were dedicated sailors, West, like me, joined to keep from being drafted into the Army.

    In my opinion we cannot honor the dead by pretending every war death was worthwhile and meaningful.
    Nobody has to pretend anything. I not only opposed the Vietnam War, but after I got out of the Army in 1969, I protested against it. That doesn't mean that I have to even think about the political aspect of the soldiers' deaths in that war. To me, the mere fact that we wore the uniform, and served in whatever capacity we were assigned, brings great honor upon us, and much more so to those who lost their lives (in ANY war).

    The worthiness of the mission, and the honor of those who served in it are 2 separate things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protectionist View Post
    Nobody has to pretend anything. I not only opposed the Vietnam War, but after I got out of the Army in 1969, I protested against it. That doesn't mean that I have to even think about the political aspect of the soldiers' deaths in that war. To me, the mere fact that we wore the uniform, and served in whatever capacity we were assigned, bring great honor upon us, and much more so to those who lost their lives (in ANY war).

    I quite agree. Here's to all the lads who went before so that we did not have to go! To my maternal great-grandfather who served and died in WWII.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paperback Writer View Post
    These sorts of things will always go their own way. What you ought to take faith in @protectionist is the fact that everyone in this thread recognises their service and their lives. They are and were valued.
    Now you're talking! Thanks for that. You have a good focus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matalese View Post
    I don't want anybody in combat. There is no person on earth worth the life of an American soldier. Let everyone fight their own damn battles.
    Yeah, this.

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    This is not the right thread for it, and I will make one dealing with it later, but let's face it: the overwhelming majority of civilians die 'meaningless deaths' if you apply the same sort of yardstick you apply to the deaths of soldiers. Most lives are like that famous opening scene spoken by Jude Law in 'Trainspotting'.

    You cannot judge the meaning/meaninglessness of a life or death based on what geopolitical effect it had or did not have. The meaning of a life or death resides in the person and the act itself, NOT the cause for which that life was given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protectionist View Post
    A reasonable point of view in some cases (wars). But this isn't the place for it. This thread is just for honoring those who served and died, as the OP said "regardless of which war they fought in, and what politics may have been associated with it."
    You honor these people and their loved ones by making sure that no more people die for the special interest fueled imperial machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectre View Post
    This is not the right thread for it, and I will make one dealing with it later, but let's face it: the overwhelming majority of civilians die 'meaningless deaths' if you apply the same sort of yardstick you apply to the deaths of soldiers. Most lives are like that famous opening scene spoken by Jude Law in 'Trainspotting'.

    You cannot judge the meaning/meaninglessness of a life or death based on what geopolitical effect it had or dud not have. The meaning of a life or death resides in the person and the act itself, NOT the cause for which that life was given.
    Ewen MacGregor in Trainspotting.

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    Need to Force Captured Illegals to Serve

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    And they wanted women in combat.
    With no draft, there is a shortage and they have to fill it by promoting combat to women and Gays. If the economy ever got back to the way it was in the 1950s, we'd be even more desperate for volunteers.
    On the outside, trickling down on the Insiders

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