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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Please do not comment unless you read the article.


    "Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole." Ta-Nehisi Coates


    http://www.theatlantic.com/features/...ations/361631/


    "And if thy brother, a Hebrew man, or a Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee. And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him. And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee: therefore I command thee this thing today." Deuteronomy 15: 12–15




    "White children, in the main, and whether they are rich or poor, grow up with a grasp of reality so feeble that they can very accurately be described as deluded--about themselves and the world they live in. White people have managed to get through their entire lifetimes in this euphoric state, but black people have not been so lucky: a black man who sees the world the way John Wayne, for example, sees it would not be an eccentric patriot, but a raving maniac." James Baldwin
    Let me know when the Hapsburgs will be paying me (Czech blood) and the English (Irish blood) and let me know when I'll be getting a check for that half of the Roman Empire the Muslims took.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newpublius View Post
    Let me know when the Hapsburgs will be paying me (Czech blood) and the English (Irish blood) and let me know when I'll be getting a check for that half of the Roman Empire the Muslims took.
    Awesome-- I'm Polish. Gonna make some serious bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalkin View Post
    I find it ironic that the same gaggle of fools that want to end inheritance also want to restore some fictional inheritance that was stolen from slaves ages ago via "reparations".
    Exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Please do not comment unless you read the article.
    Good one, do tell another.

    "Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole." Ta-Nehisi Coates
    Wrong. All of those slave owners who owed such a debt are long dead, as are the slaves they owned. The debt cannot be repaid as those it is owed to cannot be repaid by those who have long since passed.

    Tossing aside the fact that you can't even quantify a 'moral debt'. Yet one side declares interest on it - good luck collecting on it.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/features/...ations/361631/


    "And if thy brother, a Hebrew man, or a Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee. And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him. And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt, and the LORD thy God redeemed thee: therefore I command thee this thing today." Deuteronomy 15: 12–15
    So you expect a separation of church and state, yet you want the state to operate the Sabbatical release under Jewish law as outlined in the OT?

    Dude, I got no words. You only like religion when it suits you then? This is Twilight Zone stuff.

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    Blarg. Please to not respond to me.
    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

    Ephesians 6:12

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Awesome-- I'm Polish. Gonna make some serious bank.
    I'm English, Irish, French, German, Tennessee with a little bit of Cherokee. A mutt. I guess I'll have to pay myself reparations. I'll buy myself a Powerball ticket.


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    40 acres and mule was the reparations for post civil war blacks. It was a harsh reality. Take the land (and the mule) and there was no further government handout. Work the land, make your own food, or sell your own product to buy food or die. That was very different from slavery, where owners had an interest in keeping slaves alive and relatively healthy even if the slave didn't put in a full days work or even took of on unofficial R&R.

    Slavery was very bad to blacks in America. The welfare state was worse in its long term damage to black cultural institutions, most notably the family.

    Oh, and the 40 acres and a mule policy was ended shortly after it was enacted by President Johnson.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alyosha View Post
    I read the Atlantic. I think it's odd that you ask to read before commenting since I doubt you're reading all the Blaze articles people post before commenting, but whatever...


    Here is my comment, and I have given this thought. The American black culture was a product of slavery. In many ways, this can be a positive experience

    Ό,τι δεν με σκοτώνει με κάνει ποιο δυνατό

    (That which does not destroy me makes me strong". When you are fueled by yearning and then set free you bring with you determination and motivation which can only come through adversity. Most African cultures have a highly ingrained sense of history and family. Blacks in the US kept that until we destroyed it with, sorry, many liberals polices of patronage that were well-intended but still not in the long-term "positive". There were many black businesses on the rise, blacks had tighter knit families, their segregated communities were more successful than now in terms of proportionate economics, and I believe this was because they had fight in them.

    Maya Angelou's poem is so moving to me, Still I Rise

    You may write me down in history
    With your bitter, twisted lies,
    You may trod me in the very dirt
    But still, like dust, I’ll rise.
    Does my sassiness upset you?
    Why are you beset with gloom?
    ‘Cause I walk like I’ve got oil wells
    Pumping in my living room.
    Just like moons and like suns,
    With the certainty of tides,
    Just like hopes springing high,
    Still I’ll rise.
    Did you want to see me broken?
    Bowed head and lowered eyes?
    Shoulders falling down like teardrops,
    Weakened by my soulful cries.
    Does my haughtiness offend you?
    Don’t you take it awful hard
    ‘Cause I laugh like I got gold mines
    Diggin’ in my own back yard.
    You may shoot me with your words,
    You may cut me with your eyes,
    You may kill me with your hatefulness,
    But still, like air, I’ll rise.
    Does my sexiness upset you?
    Does it come as a surprise
    That I dance like I’ve got diamonds
    At the meeting of my thighs?
    Out of the huts of history’s shame
    I rise
    Up from a past that’s rooted in pain
    I rise
    I’m a black ocean, leaping and wide,
    Welling and swelling I bear in the tide.
    Leaving behind nights of terror and fear
    I rise
    Into a daybreak that’s wondrously clear
    I rise
    Bringing the gifts my ancestors gave,
    I am the dream and the hope of the slave.
    I rise
    I rise
    I rise.


    I am constantly motivated by this poem. It is that powerful "NO!" That "you will not tell me my limits" scream!

    And this is lost with the well-intentioned patronage of whites like yourself who want to give a generation of blacks who have long moved past this culture of feistyness and strength into the white world of fast money and get yours before they get theirs.

    When we moved here to the US I lived in a mostly black city and in a mostly black ghetto neighborhood. The older black men and women used to shake their heads and say "These kids today are stupid. They don't know where they come from."

    I think reparations should have come after the Civil War or not at all. I don't think what blacks today need is stuff, but a return to family and a sense of their own, empowered history. That means that instead of looking up to Jay-Z as a former drug dealer turned rap mogul they should look up to Oprah Winfrey, former Mississippi planter's granddaughter turned billionaire media mogul with a good heart.
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    The Sequel to "Roots" Was Called "Loots"

    We should demand reparations from their own African slavers for selling us defective merchandise.
    On the outside, trickling down on the Insiders

    We won't live free until the Democrats, and their voters, live in fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Awesome-- I'm Polish. Gonna make some serious bank.
    In America, Blacks have never been treated worse than they deserved. We should demand reparations for the costs of the Civil War, welfare, and crime. Nigeria is one of their homelands and has plenty of oil that can be used for those reparations.
    On the outside, trickling down on the Insiders

    We won't live free until the Democrats, and their voters, live in fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sage of Main Street View Post
    We should demand reparations from their own African slavers for selling us defective merchandise.
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    You're all over the map, dude.
    "An army, great in space, may offer opposition in a brief span of time.
    One man, brief in space, must spread his opposition
    across a period of many years if he is
    to have a chance of succeeding"

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