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    Quote Originally Posted by zelmo1234 View Post
    While I don't agree with everything on you list Midcan

    I can pick out a few that we could agree on!

    Some like wanting manufacturing to return and raising taxes don't work together, but there is a lot of good in your post

    There was a lot of good in his post?

    I was stopped right in my tracks when he said he wanted to see the return of the unions. Socialist unions are the death knell of this nation and all should realize that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Refugee View Post
    The next couple of years will be very telling. Will the liberal public go for it at the risk of being called racists and RWNJ’s, or will they see through it all and backtrack fast?
    Could you explain this?

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    No, the public doesn't get it.

    It doesn't get it about the Patriot Act and the NSA.

    It doesn't get it about the IRS and their political targeting.

    It doesn't get it about Benghazi and the blatant lying of Barack Obama and those around him.

    It doesn't get it about the VA bureaucracy which awarded itself bonuses on top of extravagant pay over the bodies of dead veterans.

    They just don't get it as 1984 and Big Brother comes rushing in because they don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainecoons View Post
    No, the public doesn't get it.

    It doesn't get it about the Patriot Act and the NSA.

    It doesn't get it about the IRS and their political targeting.

    It doesn't get it about Benghazi and the blatant lying of Barack Obama and those around him.

    It doesn't get it about the VA bureaucracy which awarded itself bonuses on top of extravagant pay over the bodies of dead veterans.

    They just don't get it as 1984 and Big Brother comes rushing in because they don't get it.

    They WILL get it, on the day they find out that they've lost America.

    But I think allot of Low-Mid Income Americans, particularly Whites, get it already.

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    Obama is steering us away from Capitalism and into Socialism. His ideology is based on collectivism not individualism. That's a flawed thinking that has been tried many times in the past, and has failed every time. But no one ever said Obama was smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libhater View Post
    There was a lot of good in his post?

    I was stopped right in my tracks when he said he wanted to see the return of the unions. Socialist unions are the death knell of this nation and all should realize that.
    Thanks. But if unions are so bad why does every other nation have them? It is also curious why America had its best years when unions were strong and taxes were high.

    "In 2010, Germany produced more than 5.5 million automobiles; the U.S produced 2.7 million. At the same time, the average auto worker in Germany made $67.14 per hour in salary in benefits; the average one in the U.S. made $33.77 per hour. Yet Germany’s big three car companies—BMW, Daimler (Mercedes-Benz ), and Volkswagen—are very profitable.


    How can that be? The question is explored in a new article from Remapping Debate, a public policy e-journal. Its author, Kevin C. Brown, writes that "the salient difference is that, in Germany, the automakers operate within an environment that precludes a race to the bottom; in the U.S., they operate within an environment that encourages such a race.""

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederic...twice-as-much/

    And this is interesting too.

    'Capitalism Eating Its Children'

    ""Just as any revolution eats its children," he says, "unchecked market fundamentalism can devour the social capital essential for the long-term dynamism of capitalism itself."


    All ideologies, he continues, are prone to extremes. Belief in the power of the market entered "the realm of faith" before the 2008 meltdown. Market economies became market societies. They were characterized by "light-touch regulation" and "the belief that bubbles cannot be identified."


    Carney pulls no punches. Big banks were too big to fail, operating in a "heads-I-win-tails-you-lose bubble." Benchmarks were rigged for personal gain. Equity markets blatantly favored "the technologically empowered over the retail investor." Mistrust grew — and persists."


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/30/op...-children.html
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    Why do liberals think that these things exist in vacuums? Oh, this one thing I want to promote was happening then, but ignore everything else going on at the time.


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    Are the unions in Europe and elsewhere corrupt like the ones in the US. You know, the ones that basically act as money laundering organizations for the democratic national committee.

    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Thanks. But if unions are so bad why does every other nation have them? It is also curious why America had its best years when unions were strong and taxes were high.

    "In 2010, Germany produced more than 5.5 million automobiles; the U.S produced 2.7 million. At the same time, the average auto worker in Germany made $67.14 per hour in salary in benefits; the average one in the U.S. made $33.77 per hour. Yet Germany’s big three car companies—BMW, Daimler (Mercedes-Benz ), and Volkswagen—are very profitable.


    How can that be? The question is explored in a new article from Remapping Debate, a public policy e-journal. Its author, Kevin C. Brown, writes that "the salient difference is that, in Germany, the automakers operate within an environment that precludes a race to the bottom; in the U.S., they operate within an environment that encourages such a race.""

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederic...twice-as-much/

    And this is interesting too.

    'Capitalism Eating Its Children'

    ""Just as any revolution eats its children," he says, "unchecked market fundamentalism can devour the social capital essential for the long-term dynamism of capitalism itself."


    All ideologies, he continues, are prone to extremes. Belief in the power of the market entered "the realm of faith" before the 2008 meltdown. Market economies became market societies. They were characterized by "light-touch regulation" and "the belief that bubbles cannot be identified."


    Carney pulls no punches. Big banks were too big to fail, operating in a "heads-I-win-tails-you-lose bubble." Benchmarks were rigged for personal gain. Equity markets blatantly favored "the technologically empowered over the retail investor." Mistrust grew — and persists."


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/30/op...-children.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Thanks. But if unions are so bad why does every other nation have them? It is also curious why America had its best years when unions were strong and taxes were high.

    "In 2010, Germany produced more than 5.5 million automobiles; the U.S produced 2.7 million. At the same time, the average auto worker in Germany made $67.14 per hour in salary in benefits; the average one in the U.S. made $33.77 per hour. Yet Germany’s big three car companies—BMW, Daimler (Mercedes-Benz ), and Volkswagen—are very profitable.


    How can that be? The question is explored in a new article from Remapping Debate, a public policy e-journal. Its author, Kevin C. Brown, writes that "the salient difference is that, in Germany, the automakers operate within an environment that precludes a race to the bottom; in the U.S., they operate within an environment that encourages such a race.""

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederic...twice-as-much/

    And this is interesting too.

    'Capitalism Eating Its Children'

    ""Just as any revolution eats its children," he says, "unchecked market fundamentalism can devour the social capital essential for the long-term dynamism of capitalism itself."


    All ideologies, he continues, are prone to extremes. Belief in the power of the market entered "the realm of faith" before the 2008 meltdown. Market economies became market societies. They were characterized by "light-touch regulation" and "the belief that bubbles cannot be identified."


    Carney pulls no punches. Big banks were too big to fail, operating in a "heads-I-win-tails-you-lose bubble." Benchmarks were rigged for personal gain. Equity markets blatantly favored "the technologically empowered over the retail investor." Mistrust grew — and persists."


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/30/op...-children.html


    The American people simply don't want or need representatives (union middlemen) in today's workplace. Although labor unions hold a place in America's history, they are not necessary for the future success of our country. The economic forces of the market place should be free to determine the proper pay for work to be done. Unions cap wages, they do not recognize the achievements of individuals, they ignore skill level, reduce capital for businesses, and raise prices for consumers. These union externalities counteract with the values embedded in the American Dream. The people of our country are hard-working, free-spirited, and ingenuous and should be praised for their efforts, not withheld from their full potential by a union contract.

    http://cwhitaker.hubpages.com/hub/Ho...rt-the-Economy

    Who cares that those foreign nations have a union led economy? Doesn't America with its free market capitalism rank as the #1 economy in the world?

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