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    Fun time for deserter Bergdahl

    Sgt Bowe Bergdahl went missing in June 2009 and was the Taliban's only US prisoner of war
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    A welcoming party in the home town of a US soldier freed from Afghan captivity has been cancelled, amid suspicions that he deserted his post.
    Organisers said the event in Hailey, Idaho, was cancelled for safety reasons, because of a large increase in the number of expected attendees.
    Bowe Bergdahl was released on Saturday after five years in Taliban captivity.
    Several commentators and soldiers have branded him a deserter and called for him to be punished.
    The circumstances of Sgt Bergdahl's capture in 2009 remain unclear, although the Pentagon has concluded he left his post in Paktika Province without authorisation



    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoopsie daisy

    I am sorry. I did not realize another beat me to it.
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    He wasn't the only allied POW. He is the only one the press fawned over. Several POWs were saved by direct action and Americans don't know about it.

    Others were tortured and ritualistically killed. Many of these made the news for a day or two. Drills. Mutilation. Dull knife meets neck. Disembowelment. Sick $#@!.

    He was the only one held for more than short term.
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    A Tale of Two 'Deserters'...

    Bergdahl, Franks: A Tale of Two 'Deserters'
    Apr 20, 2016 | Three months before Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl walked off his base in Afghanistan, 2nd Lt. Lawrence Franks walked away from his in upstate New York.
    Two months before Bergdahl was returned to U.S. custody in Landstuhl, Germany, on May 31, 2014, Franks turned himself in at the Army garrison in Wiesbaden, Germany. Both men had been gone for five years. But while Bergdahl, 30, awaits court-martial on desertion and misconduct charges, Franks, 29, awaits release from the prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. Franks went to court-martial with little fanfare in December 2014, and a military jury convicted him of desertion and conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman. The formerly exemplary West Point graduate was sentenced to dismissal from the service and four years of imprisonment.


    Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl

    The sentence was seen by some as harsh in light of Frank's history of suicidal depression and one other fact: Franks had been engaged in the war on terrorism, albeit with a different army. The case is scheduled for appellate review this summer. "We're focused on getting the conviction overturned and the sentence vacated," said Franks' appellate lawyer, Jack Zimmermann. "We don't think he committed a crime."


    U.S. Army 2nd Lt. Lawrence Franks was sentenced to dismissal from the military and four years of imprisonment in December 2014 after deserting his post in 2009.

    It's impossible to predict whether Franks' court-martial outcome might foreshadow the highly politicized Bergdahl case. There are differences. "Franks was an officer. He was educated at taxpayer expense," said Eugene Fidell, Bergdahl's lawyer. "He wasn't being held captive. He was being paid good money. The disparities are very substantial." Yet Franks' story in many ways parallels Bergdahl's and is in some ways even stranger.

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    2LT Franks deserted the US Army to join the French Foreign Legion. I recall that a Legionnaire general officer testify at his court-martial on his behalf.
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    Bergdahl Lawyers Want Charges Dropped...

    Bergdahl Lawyers Want Charges Dropped over McCain Comments
    Aug 02, 2016 | WASHINGTON -- Attorneys for accused Army deserter Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl asked a military judge on Monday to dismiss charges against the soldier, contending the case has been unfairly influenced by the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
    Comments made by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., about Bergdahl and the controversial swap that freed him from his Taliban captors have made it impossible for the soldier to receive a fair trial, the defense attorneys argue in the motion filed late Monday. They wrote Judge Col. Jeffrey R. Nance should at least limit Bergdahl's potential sentence to no punishment. Bergdahl, 30, was captured by Taliban fighters in June 2009 after leaving his post in eastern Afghanistan. He was freed in May 2014 after the White House approved the release of five senior-level Taliban detainees to Qatar from the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. In March 2015, the Army charged Bergdahl with desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. He faces a potential sentence of life in prison if convicted of the more serious misbehavior charge.

    Defense attorneys -- lead by civilian Eugene R. Fidell -- cited, among other comments McCain has made, an October statement the senator made to reporters in New Hampshire as "impermissible meddling." The comment was made before Bergdahl's charges were referred to a general court-martial in December. "If it comes out that [Bergdahl] has no punishment, we're going to have a hearing in the Senate Armed Services Committee," McCain told a reporter on Oct. 11 during a campaign stop with fellow Armed Services Committee member Sen. Lindsey Graham, who was then running for president. "… And I am not prejudging, OK, but it is well known that in the searches for Bergdahl, after -- we know now -- he deserted, there are allegations that some American soldiers were killed or wounded, or at the very least put their lives in danger, searching for what is clearly a deserter."

    Threatening congressional inquiry into an open criminal case, defense attorneys wrote, was an "abuse of his authority" that might have handcuffed senior Army leaders into pursuing the felony-level general court-martial. The Armed Services Committee is responsible for confirming presidential appointments of the Pentagon's senior military commanders and its top civilians, among other obligations. The chairman of the committee, Bergdahl's attorneys wrote, "wields great power of SASC decision making," "It is not rocket science to see what was wrong with Sen. McCain's comments," Bergdahl's attorneys wrote in the motion. "It is difficult to imagine a more blatant threat to the fair administration of military justice than the one Sen. McCain uttered. That he never carried through on it -- or hasn't yet -- is of no moment. The threat itself is the problem." McCain, a former Navy pilot who was held prisoner of war and tortured for five years during the Vietnam War, could not be reached for comment.

    Army leadership appears to have warned Armed Service Committee advisers of the potential problems that McCain's comments could cause in an Oct. 13 email. The partially redacted email from a colonel in the Army's legislative liaison office was provided Friday to defense attorneys on Nance's order. The Army had previously redacted the entire text of the email when it provided it to Bergdahl's attorneys in response to a Freedom of Information Act inquiry. In that email, the colonel, whose name is redacted, wrote while unlawful command influence typically requires comment from a military commander, the comments raised by McCain, who leads a committee with military oversight, "has raised some serious concerns across the Army." "If it is at all possible to have [McCain] issue a curative statement … that could be tremendously helpful," wrote the colonel, who offered to draft a potential statement for the senator, citing his "faith in the [Uniform Code of Military Justice] process and senior commanders to make the right decisions." McCain has not issued such a statement to date.

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    Unlawful command influence defenses rarely go anywhere. I had to handle one as a prosecutor and the alleged UCI was committed by the convening authority.

    A senator is not in the chain of command.

    Motion denied.
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    Bergdahl was a biker...

    Judge: Bergdahl Adventures Prior to Enlisting Cannot Be Used
    Aug 22, 2016 | Accused deserter Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's attempt to join the French Foreign Legion and his time on a weapons range prior to enlisting cannot be used in his court-martial as evidence of his pursuits of adventure, an Army judge ruled Monday.
    Those past experiences and stints working on fishing boats in the years before 2006 when Bergdahl enlisted in the Army are irrelevant to proving that he deserted his post, Col. Jeffery R. Nance, the military judge, said during a pre-trial motions hearing Monday at Fort Bragg in North Carolina. Nance said introducing those acts as evidence would waste time during a court-martial already expected to last up to two weeks. Last year, the Army charged Bergdahl, 30, with desertion and misbehavior before the enemy after he spent five years in Taliban captivity. The more serious misbehavior charge could send the soldier to prison for the rest of his life. His court-martial is scheduled for February.

    In the years before he enlisted, Bergdahl traveled to France in an unsuccessful bid to join the French Foreign Legion, worked on a Texas weapons range that trains special operations forces and worked on fishing boats in Alaska and on a trip between New York and Seattle. Maj. Jerrod Fussnecker, an Army prosecutor, argued Monday that those events showed Bergdahl's intent to constantly "seek adventure," saying the soldier retained the same mindset to "show he was a super soldier … like Jason Bourne" when he walked off Observation Post Mest in eastern Afghanistan in 2009. Bergdahl was captured by Taliban fighters shortly after he left the post.


    A young Bowe Bergdahl sits on a motorcycle during a ride through central Idaho's back country.

    Nance called the prosecutors' argument a "big logical leap" and added they do not need to prove his motive for leaving. "You just have to prove he went absent without authority," the judge said. Bergdahl has admitted to Army investigators that he willingly left the post before he was captured, but he said he did not intend to desert the Army. Instead, he said he wanted to cause a disturbance that would place him in front of military brass to file complaints about his chain of command.

    He was freed from captivity in May 2014 in an exchange for five senior Taliban leaders who had been held at the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. Bergdahl remains on active duty in a desk job at Joint Base San Antonio in Texas. He was arraigned on charges of "misbehavior before the enemy by endangering the safety of a command, unit or place" and "desertion with intent to shirk important or hazardous duty" in December, but he has yet to enter a plea.

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    Army's Handling of Bergdahl Case Highlights Upcoming Hearing
    Aug 22, 2016 | Attorneys for Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl will try to convince a judge this week that the U.S. military has mishandled its prosecution of the soldier on charges that he deserted his post in Afghanistan.\
    Among the issues being considered during pretrial hearings is whether Gen. Robert B. Abrams faced improper conflicts when he referred Bergdahl for a general court-martial rather than a lower-level prosecution. Defense attorneys argue that Abrams, the commanding general of U.S. Army Forces Command in Fort Bragg, North Carolina, should be disqualified from the case because of a prior role advising former Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel during efforts to return Bergdahl from captivity. In a separate motion, the defense contends Abrams was influenced by negative comments about Bergdahl by Sen. John McCain, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

    In September 2015, an officer who oversaw a preliminary hearing recommended the case be heard by a misdemeanor-level tribunal and said imprisonment wasn't warranted. However, the following month, McCain told a reporter his Senate committee would itself hold a hearing if Bergdahl weren't punished. In December, Abrams sent Bergdahl's case to a general court-martial, rejecting the hearing officer's recommendation. The defense argues the chain of events shows "impermissible meddling" by McCain and says either the charges should be thrown out, or Bergdahl should face no punishment if convicted. In their motion to disqualify Abrams, they argue for a reset in the case that would allow another commander to decide whether it warrants a general court-martial.

    Bergdahl, who is from Hailey, Idaho, walked off his post in Afghanistan in 2009 and wound up as a captive of the Taliban and its allies until 2014. The Obama administration won his release by swapping him for Guantanamo Bay detainees. Bergdahl faces a court-martial on charges of desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. The latter charge carries up to a life sentence. Legal experts have described the defense motions — which will be heard starting Monday in a Fort Bragg courtroom — as longshots. But Eric Carpenter, a former Army lawyer who teaches at Florida International University, said testimony from Abrams could provide courtroom fireworks. "The military judge will likely need to hear from General Abrams himself, either in person or in writing, about whether Abrams was influenced by McCain's comments," he said, adding Abrams should be able to resolve the issue simply by saying that McCain's statement didn't affect him.

    Prosecutors strongly deny the arguments pertaining to McCain and say the defense is asking the military judge to make an "unprecedented" decision. "The Defense motion seeks to have the Court boldly go where no court has gone before. There simply is no legal principle as Unlawful Congressional influence," Maj. Justin Oshana, a prosecutor, wrote. In a legal filing Friday, prosecutors also argue that Abrams' role in advising Hagel didn't amount to planning or participating in efforts to free Bergdahl from captivity.

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    Military judge has rejected efforts to dismiss the desertion case...

    Judge Won't Dismiss Bergdahl Case Over McCain's Comments
    Sep 30, 2016 — A military judge has rejected efforts to dismiss the desertion case against Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl over comments made by U.S. Sen. John McCain.
    Berdahl's lawyers argued that McCain improperly influenced the case by telling a reporter in 2015 that his Senate committee would hold a hearing if Bergdahl weren't punished.


    Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, center, arrives at the Fort Bragg, N.C., courtroom facility for an arraignment hearing

    Bergdahl walked off his post in Afghanistan in 2009 and wound up in captivity of the Taliban and its allies for five years. He is charged with desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. Trial is scheduled for February 2017 at Fort Bragg.

    Army judge Col. Jeffery Nance denied the defense motion to dismiss charges against Bergdahl. Nance writes that no reasonable observer would conclude the senator made the prosecution unfair because McCain has no direct power over the court-martial.

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    Of course not. Undue command influence requires someone in the chain of command to coerce subordinates.
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    Kinda like when Nixon proclaimed Manson guilty...

    Bergdahl Lawyers: Dismiss Case After Trump's 'Traitor' Charges
    Jan 20, 2017 | Lawyers for Sgt. Bergdahl filed a motion to dismiss court martial charges on grounds that Trump has called him a "traitor."
    Minutes after President Donald Trump took the oath of office Friday, Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's defense lawyers filed a motion to dismiss court martial charges based on Trump's repeated statements as a candidate calling him a "dirty rotten traitor" and a "no good traitor." "It's inimical to the administration of justice" and a denial of Bergdahl's due process rights to a fair trial to allow the case of U.S. v Bergdahl to proceed on charges of desertion and misbehavior before the enemy under Articles 85 and 99 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, said Eugene Fidell, a civilian defense counsel for Bergdahl.

    Fidell said Trump's statements amounted to "apparent unlawful command influence" that could prejudice any potential military jury panel called to decide Bergdahl's fate, although Trump made the statements as private citizen and candidate and not as commander in chief. The motion said that "Sergeant Bergdahl has never been charged with, indicted for, or convicted of treason. Nonetheless, President Trump referred to him as 'traitor Bergdahl' and repeatedly described him as, variously, a traitor, a 'dirty, rotten traitor,' a 'no-good traitor,' a 'dirty, no good traitor,' and 'a horrible traitor.' He did this at rally after rally across the country."


    Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl arrives for a pretrial hearing at Fort Bragg, N.C.

    At a 2015 rally in Las Vegas, Trump said "We're tired of Sgt. Bergdahl, who's a traitor, a no-good traitor, who should have been executed. Thirty years ago, he would have been shot." The motion also argued that Trump would be unable to withdraw the statements as Commander-in-Chief. "Given the nature of the statements, which through repetition and positive audience response became a signature campaign theme, any attempt to recant them after the filing of this motion and safely after President Trump became commander in chief would be deeply cynical and unworthy of credence," the motion said.

    The motion was filed with Army Col. Jeffery Nance, the trial judge for Bergdahl's general court martial, which is tentatively scheduled for April at Fort Bragg, North Carolina on the desertion and misbehavior before the enemy charges. The latter carries a maximum penalty of life in prison. Bergdahl said he walked off his post in Afghanistan in 2009 in an effort to reach commandeers to tell them of problems with his unit. He was held captive by the Taliban and its allies for five years. The Obama administration in May 2014 arranged to exchange Bergdahl for five Taliban prisoners at the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detention facility.

    http://www.military.com/daily-news/2...r-charges.html

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