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    Quote Originally Posted by Perianne View Post
    What is your opinion on social Darwinism?



    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...cial-Darwinism
    Natural selection has nothing to do with "improvement" in the population. While I'm not familiar with 'Social Darwinism' or probably choose to be, if it is based on that premise, it fails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Social Darwinism is a misunderstanding and misuse of Darwin's theory. The misunderstanding is that the strong survive and the weak do not when in fact, according to Darwin, it's the most fit in terms being able to adapt to changes in environment. Adaptability might be a better word. A small, slow animal might adapt to burrow under ground and escape predation by bigger, stronger, faster animals. The misuse is its application to society. This is largely also a misunderstanding that evolution is designed and progressive such that you could somehow breed a superhuman race. Evolution is not designed. All that being said, there is social or cultural selection where a culture or group selects for certain types of behavior. For example, some aspects of religion, that unite people in a common belief and moral view, demonstrate this.
    Damn! Chris and I are in complete agreement for once!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alyosha View Post
    I guess if you're an atheist, then you can kick them to the curb and forget about them. If you're a Christian or Buddhist you have to see them as your cross to bear and Jesus in disguise whether you like it or not.

    That's perhaps why we have religion to force us to do what we don't want to do, or it could be 100% true and really what God wants from us. Either way, I still buy food for people with signs up whether or not they may be taking advantage of me. I hand it over and say, "By the grace of God go I."

    I can only read one person's thoughts and motivations, my own. I've only walked a mile in my own shoes. While I get pissy about entitlement programs from time to time, I think I'd rather feed kids and poor people than pay for DARPA to build a robot cheetah (yes, they did) that may someday kill me.

    So...it's a no brainer for me. Money for food stamps and entitlements is less money going to spying on me, reading my emails, audits by the IRS, invisibility cloaks, gay bombs (yes, they spent money on that), fly sized drones, and robot cheetahs.
    You unecessarily disparage non-believers. They are every bit as capable of acts of mercy as you. The difference might be that they do so out of altruistic motives rather than what someone or something directs them to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    From a year ago!

    THE SECOND COMING

    Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity....


    -Yeats

    I love this kind of stuff. I call it "Armageddon Poetry." Here's another. I wrote an A+ term paper back in high school English Lit analyzing The Tyger as a veiled reference to "The Revolutionary."


    The Tyger

    Tyger! Tyger! burning bright
    In the forests of the night,
    What immortal hand or eye
    Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

    In what distant deeps or skies
    Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
    On what wings dare he aspire?
    What the hand dare sieze the fire?

    And what shoulder, & what art.
    Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
    And when thy heart began to beat,
    What dread hand? & what dread feet?

    What the hammer? what the chain?
    In what furnace was thy brain?
    What the anvil? what dread grasp
    Dare its deadly terrors clasp?

    When the stars threw down their spears,
    And watered heaven with their tears,
    Did he smile his work to see?
    Did he who made the Lamb make thee?

    Tyger! Tyger! burning bright
    In the forests of the night,
    What immortal hand or eye
    Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?

    - William Blake
    Last edited by OGIS; 07-22-2015 at 08:55 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perianne View Post
    What is your opinion on social Darwinism?



    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...cial-Darwinism

    I disagree because humans are different from other animals. We protect people from their own stupidity and non producers are breeding faster than producers. I call it reserve social evolution

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    Darwin had nothing to do with it.

    It was an attempt to apply an evolutionary biological construct to sociology and politics.

    Hitler loved the idea of Social Darwinism..

    http://www.salon.com/2014/04/19/char...the_holocaust/
    Hitler, Darwin and the Holocaust: How the Nazis distorted the theory of evolution
    Last edited by Darmosiel; 08-21-2015 at 01:51 PM.


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    Goody Goody Godwin

    Quote Originally Posted by Darmosiel View Post
    Darwin had nothing to do with it.

    It was an attempt to apply an evolutionary biological construct to sociology and politics.

    Hitler loved the idea of Social Darwinism..

    http://www.salon.com/2014/04/19/char...the_holocaust/
    Hitler, Darwin and the Holocaust: How the Nazis distorted the theory of evolution
    Could it be that you have been brainwashed instead of the people in the past? Think about it, before this constant anti-reality preaching completely takes away your ability to think. What drives you to identify with the thoughts of pompous and pushy pontificators?
    On the outside, trickling down on the Insiders

    We won't live free until the Democrats, and their voters, live in fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    I disagree because humans are different from other animals. We protect people from their own stupidity and non producers are breeding faster than producers. I call it reserve [SIC] social evolution
    I assume you meant "reverse"? Sounds like punctuated equilibrium to me. Steady accumulation of medically treated defects that permit "breeding survival" followed by a sudden cull where the "defectives" (good Orwellian term, that) are suddenly drowned in the breeding pool.

    But as Paul Harvey would say, the REST of the story is that all that progress where We Long Suffering Supermen had to drag along and coddle the Poors, has now culminated in being able to actually MODIFY those genetic errors, and in fact create superior human beings, possibly even superior to We Long Suffering Supermen.

    Not quite sure what you mean by "producers" and "non producers." That sounds a little derpy-talking-point-memo-dog-whistle-tooly to me, and I've assumed from reading many of your prior posts that you were a bit more... independent and aware that that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OGIS View Post
    I assume you meant "reverse"? Sounds like punctuated equilibrium to me. Steady accumulation of medically treated defects that permit "breeding survival" followed by a sudden cull where the "defectives" (good Orwellian term, that) are suddenly drowned in the breeding pool.

    But as Paul Harvey would say, the REST of the story is that all that progress where We Long Suffering Supermen had to drag along and coddle the Poors, has now culminated in being able to actually MODIFY those genetic errors, and in fact create superior human beings, possibly even superior to We Long Suffering Supermen.

    Not quite sure what you mean by "producers" and "non producers." That sounds a little derpy-talking-point-memo-dog-whistle-tooly to me, and I've assumed from reading many of your prior posts that you were a bit more... independent and aware that that.
    Yes I meant reverse. And what I am saying is that lazy and stupid people are breeding faster than the rest of us

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Yes I meant reverse. And what I am saying is that lazy and stupid people are breeding faster than the rest of us
    Regardless of how funny it is, "Idiocracy" is not real life.

    And, again, "producers" and "non producers" are huge dog whistles.

    Finally, "producers" and "non producers" simply does not address the fact that - much sooner than you think - the majority of people in the country and the world will be "non producers" simply by the fact that machines are doing the work they used to do.
    Wearing a mask with your nose sticking out is like wearing a condom on your testicles.

    When out walking, look out for PROBlems. You know: maskless Plague Rats On Bicycles who blow past you without giving you time to get out of the way.

    Ah, CONServatives, the Masters of Projection (MOPs). With CONServatives, every accusation is a confession. Weird, that.

    ............Oh, what fresh hell is this?
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