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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    What makes you think that I don't do things for the poor? Care to compare charitable contributions?

    That does not mean that I don't understand why most people are poor.
    I have no idea what you do off line. I only know what you express here. You express no compassion for the poor. You've assigned blame and rationalized their misery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dadakarma View Post
    I have no idea what you do off line. I only know what you express here. You express no compassion for the poor. You've assigned blame and rationalized their misery.
    How many people who aced school end up homeless?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    How many people who aced school end up homeless?
    It's clear what your point is, Peter. Poverty is the deserved consequence of underachievers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dadakarma View Post
    It's clear what your point is, Peter. Poverty is the deserved consequence of underachievers.

    That is a strange conclusion. Ever consider that it was a likely consequence of underachievement? Or do you feel like society must compensate for underachievers? Maybe a stipend? What of the moral hazard with that brilliant plan?

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    If your income allowed you to supplement by government programs while increasing that income did not, some would remain at the lower income level. If government provides for needs and some wants there is no incentive for some to find jobs. If government programs allowed you to collect needs and some wants while working for pay (under the table) some might do that, while losing self respect, self reliance, self worth.

    Providing the means to exist for those who don't have that ability is a noble pursuit. Providing good feelings for those who throw other people's money at a problem rather than seek real solutions is self serving, not compassion.
    "If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner."

    "The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable."

    H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagny View Post
    It's nice to see that nobody here has ever had to endure anything from that list.

    It's nicer to see that nobody here knows anyone who's had to endure anything from that list either.
    I've experienced many of them.
    Last edited by Chris; 04-15-2012 at 07:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dadakarma View Post
    Get over yourself. It's you who's incapable of mustering up any compassion for the poor, regardless of how they got there and whose *fault* it is. Shame on you.
    Arguments based on emotional appeals don't cut it. Most everyone feels compassion, some leap to government solutions, some look to solve problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagny View Post
    Far too many veterans are homeless in America—between 130,000 and 200,000 on any given night—representing between one fourth and one-fifth of all homeless people. Three times that many veterans arestruggling with excessive rent burdens and thus at increased risk of homelessness.Further, there is concern about the future. Women veterans and those with disabilities including posttraumatic stress disorder and traumatic brain injury are more likely to become homeless, and a higherpercentage of veterans returning from the current conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq have thesecharacteristics.The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs estimates that 131,000 veterans are homeless on any givennight
    1. And approximately twice that many experience homelessness over the course of a year.Conservatively, one out of every three homeless men who is sleeping in a doorway, alley or box in ourcities and rural communities has put on a uniform and served this country.
    http://www.nationalhomeless.org/factsheets/veterans.pdf
    It is certainly a problem, but those numbers are inflated. Probably to justify increases in the budget.

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    Being poor is four years of night classes for an Associates of Art degree.
    Isn't that trying not to be poor?

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    Being poor is off-brand toys.
    It could also just be a cheap dad. Like mine was.

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