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    In America today, more on the right than the left, 'Hitler' is simply a convenient negative label, Jonah Goldberg's nonsensical book on Liberal Fascism is a key example. Links on his book are at bottom. Since fascism Nazism Hitler are mere labels anyone can use them and the choir immediately knows they are in the 'right' church (PI). But the odd thing among many others is FDR was an enemy of American fascism and it came from the right as it still does to this very day. There is no sense in arguing with the ignorant but for those interested Kevin Passmore's 'Fascism' is another excellent Oxford short. Some interesting links below.


    http://thepoliticalforums.com/thread...l=1#post684031


    'Key elements of the Nazi ideology'


    "National Socialist Program
    -Racism
    Especially anti-Semitism, which eventually culminated in the Holocaust.
    The creation of a Herrenrasse (Master Race= by the Lebensborn (Fountain of Life; A department in the Third Reich)
    Anti-Slavism
    Belief in the superiority of the White, Germanic, Aryan or Nordic races.
    Euthanasia and Eugenics with respect to "Racial Hygiene"
    Anti-Marxism, Anti-Communism, Anti-Bolshevism
    The rejection of democracy, with as a consequence the ending the existence of political parties, labour unions, and free press.
    Führerprinzip (Leader Principle) /belief in the leader (Responsibility up the ranks, and authority down the ranks.)
    Strong show of local culture.
    Social Darwinism
    Defense of Blood and Soil (German: "Blut und Boden" - represented by the red and black colors in the Nazi flag)
    "Lebensraumpolitik", "Lebensraum im Osten" (The creation of more living space for Germans)
    Related to Fascism" http://www.nazism.net/about/nazi_ideology/


    "In terms of political theories, Hitler announced his hatred in Mein Kampf toward what he believed to be the twin evils of the world: Communism and Judaism, and he stated that his aim was to eradicate both from the face of the earth. He also announced that Germany needed to obtain new soil called lebensraum which would properly nurture the "historic destiny" of the German people; this goal explains why Hitler invaded Europe, both East and West, before he launched his attack against Russia. Hitler presented himself as the "Übermensch", frequently rendered as the crude "Superman" (overman is the more appropriate term in its original context), that the basically a-political Friedrich Nietzsche had referred to in his writings, especially in his book, 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra'. It is doubtful that Hitler read any Nietzsche beyond a superficial level, as Nietzsche did not refer to his overman in the way in which Hitler would refer to him. For Nietzsche it was a man who could overcome himself (hence overman and not superman) by controlling his impulses and would be able to channel this energy into something creative. The nationalism and anti-semitism that was indeed growing in Nietzsche's time was something which Nietzsche despised and wrote about continuously: there is probably no other writer from Germany that insulted the Germans more than Nietzsche. Since Hitler blamed the current parliamentary government for much of the ills against which he raged, he announced that he wanted to completely destroy that type of government." http://www.nazism.net/about/adolf_hitler/mein_kampf/


    "Goldberg, who has no credentials beyond the right-wing nepotism that has enabled his career as a pundit, has drawn a kind of history in absurdly broad and comically wrongheaded strokes. It is not just history done badly, or mere revisionism. It’s a caricature of reality, like something from a comic-book alternative universe: Bizarro history."
    http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?...izarro_history


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alyosha View Post
    It's just labeling. Hitler was not "Christian". He was an esotericist and occultist. He was a socialist but not a Bolshevik. By many standards he more resembled progressives for it is they who wish to create a perfect society.

    The correct term is ..."A more perfect Union".
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    I find it funny that criticisms like midcan's (a) fail to address the content of Goldberg's book which establishes beyond a doubt the mutual admiration among FDR, Hilter, Mussolini, and Stalin for their collectivist central planning--what was generally called socialism back them. And (b) fail to link all of them through Hegel to Plato the grandfather of collectivist statism. But why would the left like midcan condemn that one common feature, big government central planning, when they day in day out advocate for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    In America today, more on the right than the left, 'Hitler' is simply a convenient negative label, Jonah Goldberg's nonsensical book on Liberal Fascism is a key example. Links on his book are at bottom. Since fascism Nazism Hitler are mere labels anyone can use them and the choir immediately knows they are in the 'right' church (PI). But the odd thing among many others is FDR was an enemy of American fascism and it came from the right as it still does to this very day. There is no sense in arguing with the ignorant but for those interested Kevin Passmore's 'Fascism' is another excellent Oxford short. Some interesting links below.


    http://thepoliticalforums.com/thread...l=1#post684031


    'Key elements of the Nazi ideology'


    "National Socialist Program
    -Racism
    Especially anti-Semitism, which eventually culminated in the Holocaust.
    The creation of a Herrenrasse (Master Race= by the Lebensborn (Fountain of Life; A department in the Third Reich)
    Anti-Slavism
    Belief in the superiority of the White, Germanic, Aryan or Nordic races.
    Euthanasia and Eugenics with respect to "Racial Hygiene"
    Anti-Marxism, Anti-Communism, Anti-Bolshevism
    The rejection of democracy, with as a consequence the ending the existence of political parties, labour unions, and free press.
    Führerprinzip (Leader Principle) /belief in the leader (Responsibility up the ranks, and authority down the ranks.)
    Strong show of local culture.
    Social Darwinism
    Defense of Blood and Soil (German: "Blut und Boden" - represented by the red and black colors in the Nazi flag)
    "Lebensraumpolitik", "Lebensraum im Osten" (The creation of more living space for Germans)
    Related to Fascism" http://www.nazism.net/about/nazi_ideology/


    "In terms of political theories, Hitler announced his hatred in Mein Kampf toward what he believed to be the twin evils of the world: Communism and Judaism, and he stated that his aim was to eradicate both from the face of the earth. He also announced that Germany needed to obtain new soil called lebensraum which would properly nurture the "historic destiny" of the German people; this goal explains why Hitler invaded Europe, both East and West, before he launched his attack against Russia. Hitler presented himself as the "Übermensch", frequently rendered as the crude "Superman" (overman is the more appropriate term in its original context), that the basically a-political Friedrich Nietzsche had referred to in his writings, especially in his book, 'Thus Spoke Zarathustra'. It is doubtful that Hitler read any Nietzsche beyond a superficial level, as Nietzsche did not refer to his overman in the way in which Hitler would refer to him. For Nietzsche it was a man who could overcome himself (hence overman and not superman) by controlling his impulses and would be able to channel this energy into something creative. The nationalism and anti-semitism that was indeed growing in Nietzsche's time was something which Nietzsche despised and wrote about continuously: there is probably no other writer from Germany that insulted the Germans more than Nietzsche. Since Hitler blamed the current parliamentary government for much of the ills against which he raged, he announced that he wanted to completely destroy that type of government." http://www.nazism.net/about/adolf_hitler/mein_kampf/


    "Goldberg, who has no credentials beyond the right-wing nepotism that has enabled his career as a pundit, has drawn a kind of history in absurdly broad and comically wrongheaded strokes. It is not just history done badly, or mere revisionism. It’s a caricature of reality, like something from a comic-book alternative universe: Bizarro history."
    http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?...izarro_history


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    Necroposting, funny, never heard of that before.

    Agree, this topic was dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Necroposting, funny, never heard of that before.

    Agree, this topic was dead.
    Old internet term, it means posting in dead threads.
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    "Time spent arguing is, oddly enough, almost never wasted." Christopher Hitchens

    There is no such thing as a necro-post or thread, as proof you only have to browse the internet from its BB days till now. One reason I started to collect and save OPs and Links was the fact the same stuff appears constantly. Some sites die and soon another rises to debate the same things. Taxes, government, fascism, abortion, homosexuality, welfare, affirmative action, religion, war, etc etc etc continue and will continue. Visit the many political sites and you read the same things, it is a chorus of choir members. I give the 'right' credit in this area for they repeat the same things over and over again so often they become truths. Even interpretations remain the same, anything that is community based is collectivism, any tax hike ruins the economy, homosexuality is taboo for religious reasons - fill in your own here. One doesn't have to think hard whether something is the same, just say it and you've soothed your mind, others like you will repeat it and truth is arrived at. Of course I will admit progress does occur - I am a liberal - but it takes time and time flows slowly in the world of ideas and change. After all we don't hang witches or heretics or .... any longer do we?

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