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    John Quincy Adams on Immigration

    A surprising view compared to what some believe today...

    What John Quincy Adams Said About Immigration Will Blow Your Mind

    ...But there is one principle which pervades all the institutions of this country, and which must always operate as an obstacle to the granting of favors to new comers. This is a land, not of privileges, but of equal rights. Privileges are granted by European sovereigns to particular classes of individuals, for purposes of general policy; but the general impression here is that privileges granted to one denomination of people, can very seldom be discriminated from erosions of the rights of others.

    Emigrants from Germany, therefore, or from elsewhere, coming here, are not to expect favors from the governments. They are to expect, if they choose to become citizens, equal rights with those of the natives of the country. They are to expect, if affluent, to possess the means of making their property productive, with moderation, and with safety;—if indigent, but industrious, honest and frugal, the means of obtaining easy and comfortable subsistence for themselves and their families.

    They come to a life of independence, but to a life of labor—and, if they cannot accommodate themselves to the character, moral, political, and physical, of this country, with all its compensating balances of good and evil, the Atlantic is always open to them, to return to the land of their nativity and their fathers.

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    What real difference does what John Quincy Adams said or for that matter what anyone said? Especially hundreds of years ago in a very different time. Doesn't what matters today belong to that class of things called morals, justice, humanitarian values and our very basic American principles of acceptance and inclusion? Seems America in the past sixty years has become a place that no longer tries for the higher ground. Americans worship false idols today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    What real difference does what John Quincy Adams said or for that matter what anyone said? Especially hundreds of years ago in a very different time. Doesn't what matters today belong to that class of things called morals, justice, humanitarian values and our very basic American principles of acceptance and inclusion? Seems America in the past sixty years has become a place that no longer tries for the higher ground. Americans worship false idols today.
    Yeah, there are many such people who worship big government and Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    What real difference does what John Quincy Adams said or for that matter what anyone said? Especially hundreds of years ago in a very different time. Doesn't what matters today belong to that class of things called morals, justice, humanitarian values and our very basic American principles of acceptance and inclusion? Seems America in the past sixty years has become a place that no longer tries for the higher ground. Americans worship false idols today.

    What he said belongs in the "class of things called morals, justice, humanitarian values and our very basic American principles". Just not your modern progressive values, midcan. That's why I posted it, to show the difference. Thanks for helping me out.
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    It's a profound statement by JQ Adams. It does exemplify a difference between way back then and today's modern attitudes.

    I have to go back to the Roman Empire, which flourished in one age due to immigration, but was ultimately drowned in the end by immigration and the incoherent society that became of it. Immigration in one instance is a boon, and in another age it is a death knell.

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    According to Midcan't a rose by any other name would not smell so sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heyduke View Post
    It's a profound statement by JQ Adams. It does exemplify a difference between way back then and today's modern attitudes.

    I have to go back to the Roman Empire, which flourished in one age due to immigration, but was ultimately drowned in the end by immigration and the incoherent society that became of it. Immigration in one instance is a boon, and in another age it is a death knell.
    Was it immigration that doomed Rome? Or was it poor governance that began to rely on heavy taxation? The people began to feel that they were getting screwed and favored the barbarians over Rome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    What real difference does what John Quincy Adams said or for that matter what anyone said? Especially hundreds of years ago in a very different time. Doesn't what matters today belong to that class of things called morals, justice, humanitarian values and our very basic American principles of acceptance and inclusion? Seems America in the past sixty years has become a place that no longer tries for the higher ground. Americans worship false idols today.
    Actually, it's only in the past 60 years that America has been transformed from a predominantly European society into...well this. Without the American public having been lied to in 1965 that would never have happened. IOW, midcan't, you're trying to read your own values back onto a historic American nation that did not share them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    What real difference does what John Quincy Adams said or for that matter what anyone said? Especially hundreds of years ago in a very different time. Doesn't what matters today belong to that class of things called morals, justice, humanitarian values and our very basic American principles of acceptance and inclusion? Seems America in the past sixty years has become a place that no longer tries for the higher ground. Americans worship false idols today.
    Yet, if John Quincy Adams had said something you agreed with, you'd not be saying, "What real difference does it make?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    Yet, if John Quincy Adams had said something you agreed with, you'd not be saying, "What real difference does it make?"
    This is the guy who extols Christian virtues in the context of economic discussions while insisting they are irrelevant in the context of abortion and so on. IOW, lol. It's all you can do.
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