Concerning Libya.....

[MMC]

Concerning Libya.....lets look at this from the beginning.



A young Benghazian carrying (deposed) King Idris' photo. Support of the Senussi dynasty has traditionally been strong in Cyrenaica.[369]

Muhammad as-Senussi, former Crown Prince and son of the late King Idris, sent his condolences "for the heroes who have laid down their lives, killed by the brutal forces of Gaddafi" and called on the international community "to halt all support for the dictator with immediate effect."[370] as-Senussi said that the protesters would be "victorious in the end" and calls for international support to end the violence.[371] On 24 February, as-Senussi gave an interview to Al Jazeera where he called upon the international community to help remove Gaddafi from power and stop the ongoing "massacre".[372] He dismissed talk of a civil war saying "The Libyan people and the tribes have proven they are united". He later stated that international community needs "less talk and more action" to stop the violence.[373] He asked for a no-fly zone over Libya but does not support foreign ground troops.[374] On April 20, Mohammed spoke in front of the European Parliament calling for more support for Libya.[375] He also states that he will support any form of government that Libya will choose after Gaddafi including a constitutional monarchy.[376]A rival claimant to the throne, Idris bin Abdullah, announced in an interview with Adnkronos that he was ready to return to Libya and "assume leadership" once change had been initiated.[377] On 21 February, he made an appearance on Piers Morgan Tonight to discuss the uprising.[378]In March, it was reported Idris bin Abdullah had held meetings at the State Department and Congress in Washington with U.S. government officials. It was also reported attempts at contact had been initiated by French and Saudi officials.[379] On 3 March, it was reported that another member of the family, Prince Zouber al-Senussi, had fled Libya with his family and was seeking asylum in Totebo,Sweden.

This was the beginning before the French did anything. What does this tell us? Also can anyone discover any info as to what the forces of the Rebels are looking like with manpower?

[MMC]

As a result of the 2011 Libyan civil war, there are currently two entities claiming to be the official government of Libya.[4] The Tripoli-based government of Muammar Gaddafi refers to the Libyan state as the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya.[5][6] It controls most of the western half of the country. The Benghazi-based Transitional National Council refers to the Libyan state as the Libyan Republic.[7][8] It is led by Mustafa Abdul Jalil and controls most of the eastern half of the country.

Spoken languagesArabic, Berber

Main article: National Transitional Council
The Libyan Republic is the territory governed by the self-proclaimed Transitional National Council during the 2011 Libyan civil war. On 5 March 2011 the council declared itself to be the "sole representative of all Libya". It is currently recognized by 13 countries, including France,[92][93][94] Qatar,[95] Italy,[96] and Germany.[97] It is also supported by several other Arab[98] and European countries.[99] The council formed an interim government on 23 March 2011 with Mahmoud Jibril as prime minister.[100]


Although the government supported Arab causes, including the Moroccan and Algerian independence movements, it took little active part in the Arab-Israeli dispute or the tumultuous inter-Arab politics of the 1950s and early 1960s. The Kingdom was noted for its close association with the West, while it steered a conservative course at home.[102]



King Idris with U.S. vice-president Richard Nixon (March 1957). Libya sought cordial relations with the West.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton with Libyan National Security Adviser Moatessem-Billal al-Gaddafi in 2009

Still think the Berbers will ever allow the Arabs to take what is theirs.....we will end up fighting there until the end of time then. Even Qadhafi-less! Also what game was our politians playing?

[MMC]

Didn't stop the French and the game they are playing.....did it? Considering they were one of the causes of both uprisings in Algeria and Morocco. Not to mention keeping the French Foreign Legion there for easy strike purposes.

Look at the time line from Feb. 21st.....then go back to what we stated and were doing. Thats when Clinton had to do a 180 on her remarks about Libya. Due to Rice not knowing that the French had officially recognized the Rebels as the Ruling Government of Libya. Thats without Qadhafi being gone. Even though the UN and the World considered Qadhafi to be the ruling Government of Libya. But Rice definately knew about the Dynasty and who had come to Washington. Not to much was brought about that.

Pretty much in 51 was the ending of anything Italy had going in libya. But they had always relied on the French for backing. Of Course there is also that issue of partying with Qadhafi in the UK in those big mansions. Wherein the French seemed to enjoy the show and partake of it......

[MMC]

Anyone questioning when Dynasty-man came to the US? Anyone figure out how the French and the Sunni were able to Officially recognize the Rebels as the ruling Government of Libya?

Do people still believe this was over Qadhafi committing genocide on his own People?

[MMC]

Already this little adventure has cost us over 700 million dollars and by Sept it will be 1.1 Billion Dollars for involving us into another Country's Civil War. Not to mention we are just dropping bombs on Qadhafi. No one will be able to dislodge him without putting troops on the ground. What, hope we get lucky bombing and that he makes a mistake.

Ask yourself this.....if the Country is locked down. Rebels in East, Rebels in the Sw of the West,the Coalition has a No fly Zone in effect. The US is in the Med right there. Where is Qadhafi getting his mercenaries from and how are they getting into the country to fight for him? Why havent you heard anything about these mercenaries?

Everyone keeps saying Qadhafi, well Qadhafi comes from a clan to and there are others. All Berber. They will pick someone else to lead them. The Rebels if they win will be so week they will be ripe to topple. They will rise up as a whole Against the Sunni. Which then will force us to remain, and it will never end.

[Conley]

Great posts...gonna take some time to read this thoroughly and will get back to ya.

[MMC]

Great posts...gonna take some time to read this thoroughly and will get back to ya.

Ok CL.....and lets me know if you find anything on how much manpower the Rebels have lost. I am looking as well plus the way the Western Medias propaganda has been in full force it will be like finding a needle in a haystack.

[Mister D]

The truth could be that there are no reliable estimates of rebel manpower. I'll need to read these at length.

[MMC]

The truth could be that there are no reliable estimates of rebel manpower. I'll need to read these at length.

Thanks D.....I will try and put up some maps too.

[MMC]

This was back in Feb when Qadhafi called mercs in to help defend Tripoli.