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    How U.S. Interventionists Abetted the Rise of ISIS

    So let's put Rand Paul in the spotlight again. Agree or disagree with his position?

    Note the beginning of the article criticizes interventionist war hawks Clinton and Kerry. I'm only posting the conclusion:

    How U.S. Interventionists Abetted the Rise of ISIS

    "If American interests are at stake," I said in September, "then it is incumbent upon those advocating for military action to convince Congress and the American people of that threat. Too often, the debate begins and ends with an assertion that our national interest is at stake without any evidence of that assertion. The burden of proof lies with those who wish to engage in war."

    Those wanting a U.S. war in Syria could not clearly show a U.S. national interest then, and they have been proven foolish now. A more realistic foreign policy would recognize that there are evil people and tyrannical regimes in this world, but also that America cannot police or solve every problem across the globe. Only after recognizing the practical limits of our foreign policy can we pursue policies that are in the best interest of the U.S.

    The Islamic State represents a threat that should be taken seriously. But we should also recall how recent foreign-policy decisions have helped these extremists so that we don't make the same mistake of potentially aiding our enemies again.
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    Agreed.

    Most people beating the war drums don't understand war.

    I don't subscribe to the WSJ, so I can't read the article.
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    Here's a little more on Clinton and Kerry:

    To interventionists like former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, we would caution that arming the Islamic rebels in Syria created a haven for the Islamic State. We are lucky Mrs. Clinton didn't get her way and the Obama administration did not bring about regime change in Syria. That new regime might well be ISIS.

    This is not to say the U.S. should ally with Assad. But we should recognize how regime change in Syria could have helped and emboldened the Islamic State, and recognize that those now calling for war against ISIS are still calling for arms to factions allied with ISIS in the Syrian civil war. We should realize that the interventionists are calling for Islamic rebels to win in Syria and for the same Islamic rebels to lose in Iraq. While no one in the West supports Assad, replacing him with ISIS would be a disaster.

    Our Middle Eastern policy is unhinged, flailing about to see who to act against next, with little thought to the consequences. This is not a foreign policy.

    Those who say we should have done more to arm the Syrian rebel groups have it backward. Mrs. Clinton was also eager to shoot first in Syria before asking some important questions. Her successor John Kerry was no better, calling the failure to strike Syria a "Munich moment."

    Some now speculate Mr. Kerry and the administration might have to walk back or at least mute their critiques of Assad in the interest of defeating the Islamic State.

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    "The Islamic State represents a threat that should be taken seriously."

    Funny Chris and Pete were both telling us for months that this wasn't true. Reckon they were wrong.

    Continue to follow and listen to the policies of the mistaken, it's a free country,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    "The Islamic State represents a threat that should be taken seriously."

    Funny Chris and Pete were both telling us for months that this wasn't true. Reckon they were wrong.

    Continue to follow and listen to the policies of the mistaken, it's a free country,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    So let's put Rand Paul in the spotlight again. Agree or disagree with his position?

    Note the beginning of the article criticizes interventionist war hawks Clinton and Kerry. I'm only posting the conclusion:

    How U.S. Interventionists Abetted the Rise of ISIS
    I agree with him just from the tittle. Anybody with any sense of our history in the ME pretty much knows that it has always been an angry beehive but the blame for aiming it at us is ours

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    "The Islamic State represents a threat that should be taken seriously."

    Funny Chris and Pete were both telling us for months that this wasn't true. Reckon they were wrong.

    Continue to follow and listen to the policies of the mistaken, it's a free country,

    False.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
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    That's Mr. Bad Boy, Sir...to you, Junior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    False.
    The INN crowd now in denial? Go f'n figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    So let's put Rand Paul in the spotlight again. Agree or disagree with his position?

    Note the beginning of the article criticizes interventionist war hawks Clinton and Kerry. I'm only posting the conclusion:

    How U.S. Interventionists Abetted the Rise of ISIS
    He is absolutely right...but what he left out is that oil is an American Interest...
    I find your lack of faith...disturbing...

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