Astrology is Introduction to Philosophy

[MMC]

D-Swammi.....I understand the Buddhist rendition. But could you please answer the questions. Without going into cycles and or karmic deeds. And thanks for responding back. I will get to your other Threads too.

[gophangover]

The three wise men that came to Jesus' birth, followed a star using astrology and astronomy.

[dattaswami]

In that with dealing of the physical mainly. Such as the moon affecting water and with heavenly bodies in some sort of alignment. But I agree with you on the aspect of using it with looking at what can be good or bad.

Althought then you would also need to look at seers. Or those that are into the Cabala. Mystical Arts etc etc. Most Holy books state there were wizards and wtiches upon theearth. Yet how many were classified as such because they were studying astrology and the stars.

Some people ask from where Satan came and from what source he got his power? The answer is that the same producer and director of the movie, who appointed one actor as hero has appointed another as the villain. The villain is also remunerated like the hero. Sometimes the producer-cum-director can enter the movie in the role of a hero and such a role is called as the human incarnation of the Lord. The villain opposes the hero in the cinema. The hero wins over the villain, giving a good message to the spectators. But remember that the hero, who is the producer, has remunerated the villain and also directed every action of the villain as the director of the whole picture.

[MMC]

Considering the Journey of Soul is already at the state of human consciousness.....do you accept that soul must live so many laqs in each birth sign? regardless of the karma debt from the previous birth. Good or Evil making no difference?

[dattaswami]

Considering the Journey of Soul is already at the state of human consciousness.....do you accept that soul must live so many laqs in each birth sign? regardless of the karma debt from the previous birth. Good or Evil making no difference?

The soul is one in the sense of its basic form as inert energy, which is the material of this entire Universe. In that sense, the soul is inert energy and the soul is never taken in that basic sense. The soul is taken as pure awareness, which is the special work form of inert energy.

In such case the souls are many even though you may argue that every soul is pure awareness only. In this sense the soul is limited to the human body and the awareness is absent in the gap existing between human bodies. The awareness is absent even in some parts of the body like hair and nails. The awareness is discontinuous. Suppose you have taken the lump of iron, which consists of atoms of iron having the same matter and atomic structure. We say that there are many iron atoms in the lump of iron because there is gap between the atoms.

You cannot say that the entire lump is one single atom of iron. You cannot say that the entire lump of iron is only one single item, which is inert energy because the matter present in all the atoms is only basic energy. The space between atoms can be also considered as subtle form of energy and thus the entire lump of iron is a single homogeneous lump of inert energy only. The word atom stands for a particle of the matter and not energy. Similarly, the soul is fixed in the sense of pure awareness and therefore a single unit of homogeneous soul consisting of all the human beings cannot be achieved, which is against to the practical experience (Anubhava Pramanam).

In the above example the matter and the atomic structure are common in all the atoms. But in the case of souls only the awareness is common but not the qualities, which are different structures of awareness. When God charges the soul like Krishna, He charged only the awareness in the body of Krishna and not the basic form of inert energy of the soul so that He can charge the entire Universe which is only different forms of the basic inert energy. If this is accepted, the entertainment of God from the Universe is violated because the scene of entertainment is always different from the seer.

The single homogeneous awareness in all the human beings is in qualitative sense but not in the sense of quantitative continuity. The gold is one and the same in two different jewels. Since gold is one and the same, if one jewel is purchased the other jewel must have been purchased by you without paying the cost of the other jewel, if your concept is true. You must know that the gold is same qualitatively in both the jewels but there is no quantitative continuity of gold in both the jewels.

[dattaswami]

What is soul or Atman or causal body? Is it the awareness present in the nervous system? Or is it the inert energy present in the brain? The concept of I exists in both. The egoism ‘I’ exists as a pulse in the brain in the inert energy and the same pulse exists in nervous system being experienced. If you say that the soul is awareness, it is born every day and it dies every day. This is the soul from one angle, which is mentioned by Gita (Athachainam Nityajatam…). Please note that this view is mentioned as an angle and is never condemned by Gita. From another angle, it is the inert energy present in the brain, which is eternal as mentioned in Gita (Ajo Nityah…). Awareness in the nervous system is in the form of work. Inert energy in the brain is in the form of energy.

In one angle the soul is specific work and in another angle soul is inert energy. Energy and work are inter-convertible and both are the same entity in different forms. Therefore, essentially it does not matter, whether you take the soul as work or energy. According to science even the matter is a form of energy only. Therefore, the gross body, which exists in deep sleep, is as good as the inert energy in brain or as good as the awareness in the basic sense in the nervous system. The gross body made of matter, the subtle body made of pulses (whether in the state of inert energy or in the state of awareness) and the causal body which is the inert energy in the brain or awareness in the nervous system are one and the same and come under one category called as creation.

The condensed energy is matter. Work is another form of the same energy. A scientist does not distinguish these three states. These three are the different forms of creation and creation is different from creator. Your analysis of these three states is of no use because you are dancing only in the same medium of creation with out touching the creator. Creation itself is work. It is work of the God. The working material is energy or matter or both. Energy and matter are also different works of God only. God is unimaginable and the work is imaginable. The link between work and God is again unimaginable. The link between a person and work is imaginable because both person and work are imaginable. Thus, there is no example in this world to imagine the God or to imagine the link with His work. Only the work is imaginable through which you can be sure of the existence of God. Thus, this wonderful Universe, which is the work of the God, proves the existence of God but the analysis of Universe neither gives any information about God nor any information about the link of Universe with God. The Universe indicates the existence of God but neither gives the information of God nor the experience of God.

After realising the existence of God, you can experience God through some item of the creation into which God entered. The best item of the Universe is the human being through which you can experience God and also clarify your doubts with God directly. If God exist in every human being, every human being should clarify your doubts. In fact since you are also one of the human beings and since God is in yourself also, you should clarify your own doubts, which means that you should not get any doubt and therefore no human being should have any doubt. Therefore, God enters into a specific human being only like Krishna or Jesus etc., who can alone clarify all your doubts and through whom alone you can experience God.

[MMC]

That doesnt answer the questions I asked, my friend. We can skip past that part of the basic concepts of soul and atoms.

[dattaswami]

Considering the Journey of Soul is already at the state of human consciousness.....do you accept that soul must live so many laqs in each birth sign? regardless of the karma debt from the previous birth. Good or Evil making no difference?

Soul is in its basic form is energy only. This energy is eternal unless God wishes to destroy that energy also. Soul takes a body here after exhausting its life in energetic body in the upperworld. Thus souls comes back and forth.

[MMC]

Soul is in its basic form is energy only. This energy is eternal unless God wishes to destroy that energy also. Soul takes a body here after exhausting its life in energetic body in the upperworld. Thus souls comes back and forth.

Ah I see that you do. Birth and rebirth. Thanks

[MMC]

Perhaps soul has to experience those rebirths even if being evil. Or just good. This would still be part of Journey of Soul.