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Thread: What Country Has It BetterThan the United States and Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    How much would your defense budget increase if the US lifted its shield of protection? How would that affect your economy?
    that really depends... for starters... the US shield of protection seems pretty questionable from here. since no permenant military unit or bases have been in Taiwan for over 30 years, and the shield seem to come at the price of buying a lot of stuff at extrodinary price with questionable uses. US's protection nowadays really comes in the form of general presumption that if China is going to outright mass and attack the US supposedly wont' let them... but how much of that is real is anyone's guess. but obviously the stakes too high for China to really gamble on it, and politically speaking it seems that it's too high for most president to back down from as well.

    If the US openly oblige that they'll turn a blind eye... then really the PRC can sink us without firing a shot anyway. since their a UN security council member and we're not even in the UN. they could simply declare Taiwan a warzone and that no foriegn ship should sail there... a full blockade with nothing but words. and if the US let them do that hey they just managed to do a full blockade without lifting a finger. what can we do? even with nukes we can't do $#@!e.

    The truth is, if the US really REALLY openly back out from Taiwan, there will be very very strong pressure for us to simply join the mainland while we still can. because as I've pointed out above, the international circumstances is insanely against us if that happens. where the PRC can essentially destroy our economy instantly with nothing but a UN resolution.

    We could and do want to raise our military budget, the problem is that generally there's a sense that it doesn't make a difference, if the US is going to interfer then the more we spend the more it goes to the USA anyway, and if they're not we can spend everything and it still won't do jack.
    Last edited by RollingWave; 05-06-2012 at 02:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingWave View Post
    that really depends... for starters... the US shield of protection seems pretty questionable from here. since no permenant military unit or bases have been in Taiwan for over 30 years, and the shield seem to come at the price of buying a lot of stuff at extrodinary price with questionable uses. US's protection nowadays really comes in the form of general presumption that if China is going to outright mass and attack the US supposedly wont' let them... but how much of that is real is anyone's guess. but obviously the stakes too high for China to really gamble on it, and politically speaking it seems that it's too high for most president to back down from as well.

    If the US openly oblige that they'll turn a blind eye... then really the PRC can sink us without firing a shot anyway. since their a UN security council member and we're not even in the UN. they could simply declare Taiwan a warzone and that no foriegn ship should sail there... a full blockade with nothing but words. and if the US let them do that hey they just managed to do a full blockade without lifting a finger. what can we do? even with nukes we can't do $#@!e.

    The truth is, if the US really REALLY openly back out from Taiwan, there will be very very strong pressure for us to simply join the mainland while we still can. because as I've pointed out above, the international circumstances is insanely against us if that happens. where the PRC can essentially destroy our economy instantly with nothing but a UN resolution.

    We could and do want to raise our military budget, the problem is that generally there's a sense that it doesn't make a difference, if the US is going to interfer then the more we spend the more it goes to the USA anyway, and if they're not we can spend everything and it still won't do jack.

    Great response, thanks.

    Does not the US typically have an air craft carrier battle group near Twain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Great response, thanks.

    Does not the US typically have an air craft carrier battle group near Twain?
    The 7th Fleet is stationed in Japan, IIRC they intentionally don't come too close to Taiwan normally, though during my tenure on the Navy I did one spot an Arleigh Burke (i think it was that... at least) rounding the Bashi Channel, but obviously that's not a fleet. (I spoted many more PRC survellance ship FWIW.)

    They did bring it into the strait during the 1997 missile crisis but that's very very rare because at the point the PRC actually massed units in the South East in for an unschedueled exersice (which is obviopusly a huge redlight to any military planner.) we havn't even held joint excesive with the US fleet since the official relationship ended in 1979. which pretty much sums it up (though the protocal for cordination with the US in the event of war is still in place). though the presence of the 7th Fleet is obviously the most concrete deterence for the PRC to make anymove off their shores.
    Last edited by RollingWave; 05-06-2012 at 02:50 PM.

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    Isn't the fleet at Japan close enough to protect Taiwan should China choose to invade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Isn't the fleet at Japan close enough to protect Taiwan should China choose to invade?
    nope
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    Quote Originally Posted by wingrider View Post
    nope
    Japan is about 1400 miles from Taiwan. http://www.mapcrow.info/Distance_bet..._Tokyo_JA.html

    How long would it take the American carrier group to get within striking range of the Chinese logistical trail?

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    not sure but I think they travell at about 30 knots an hour so about 20 hours or so.. when minutes count the navy is just hours away.
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    I would think that a US navy carrier battle group within 20 hours of Taiwan would give China pause in considering an invasion.

    How soon could the air group engage?

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