Bible-pushing Christians open the door for Satanic activity books in Florida schools

[PolWatch]

what happened to Satin guy they were talking about yesterday?

[Green Arrow]

what happened to Satin guy they were talking about yesterday?

He was too much of a man of the cloth for the Satanists.

[PolWatch]

<mopping off keyboard...again>

[kilgram]

Please don't try to bug out by answering my question with one of your own.

It is simple. Your "answer" generates other questions... like that one that I did.

My answer is simple:

- There are no proofs of any creator, so if he exists or not is irrellevant. Because it does not affect to the explanation of the reality.

[kilgram]

They were quoting the Creator Himself.

Why do you believe such tink?

And why his story is truer than Mohammed's Kuran that also quoted the Creator Himself.

You just know it. You just have the faith of that. That is not science. Faith has no place in science.

[kilgram]

I am not against theories being presented in school. I am against the common practice of presenting them as known facts. In my lifetime alone many of the facts I was taught have since been disproved or replaced by new facts. I know this is difficult for the so called secular folks to realize but they operate on faith that science is always right.

I suppose that you consider that the theory of gravity is not a fact. And maybe is wrong.

You prove your ignorance of science when theory is the highest rank that a scientific fact can receive.

Not at all. I believe public schools should be religiously neutral. They have no creditability to present any spiritual persuasion.

Science is neutral. Evolution is science of the highest rank. Is science absolutely proved.

Why do you oppose to teach science? Just because it goes against your beliefs.

And if you want that schools be neutral. Religion should be out of school. Point. In that way they are neutral.

This a valid concept. In fact it is the same technique used by science to dig for answers. Albert Einstein spent much of his time starting with a "what if" idea then dogging it until he could decide it was plausible or not.


And if that were true we would not be having this debate. Most of our collective knowledge is built on unproven theories yet as long as it accepted by the scientific community it is taken in faith to be true by the public. This is exactly how an organized religion operates.

Seriously... It is discussed by religious nuts that don't want to accept the reality. And they create ignorant theories like creationism. That for good luck in the civilized Europe is abandoned. Only in the uncivilized countries like Muslim or America is accepted.

[kilgram]

Let me stop you there. It's universal in the sense that all civilizations, cultures etc. construct it. What civilization, culture has not had law in one form or another?



First of all, you just said law is a construct not a reality in and of itself. secondly, it's not our job to make our values a reality for other peoples. Believe it or not...and this may come as a rude shock to a western libera pale face...are you sitting down?...here it comes....not everyone has the same ideas about what a "good" or fulfilling life is.

I'd rather live in a world where humanity can't be wiped out in a matter of hours but the world I live in is the world I live in. I have enough self-awareness to realize it's not better. It just is.

Things can change. Obviously if you are too old to fight for change... at least leave to the youth fight for the change and improve the world. If you are satisfied with your life... good but there is a lot of people that want to improve their lives and of the others if that is possible.

[Polecat]

I suppose that you consider that the theory of gravity is not a fact. And maybe is wrong.

You prove your ignorance of science when theory is the highest rank that a scientific fact can receive.




Science is neutral. Evolution is science of the highest rank. Is science absolutely proved.

Why do you oppose to teach science? Just because it goes against your beliefs.

And if you want that schools be neutral. Religion should be out of school. Point. In that way they are neutral.


Seriously... It is discussed by religious nuts that don't want to accept the reality. And they create ignorant theories like creationism. That for good luck in the civilized Europe is abandoned. Only in the uncivilized countries like Muslim or America is accepted.

I get the impression that you think theory is a proven fact. Why? Because your false religion is science, that's why. I understand science well enough to know that it is just a tool. A methodical process used to further our understanding about the natural universe. You seem to think it is much more of a deity of some kind by your own statements.

If you actually knew what theories there are floating around in the scientific community concerning gravity and what they propose you wouldn't make such an uniformed statement. The only thing we know for certain about gravity is that mass attracts mass. And it does so in what at first looked like an entirely predictable manner but has since been discovered to behave very differently in the cosmos than it does at the subatomic level. Right now great minds are hard at work trying to find an explanation for this anomaly. We have dark matter, hidden dimensions, and many other ideas being researched exhaustively.

And I do not have any issue with theories being discussed in the school setting. What I don't like is ignorant people such as yourself telling kids these theories are facts. Because that it is a complete lie. "Evolution is science of the highest rank" What? Are you supreme commander of the science army? Evolution is still a theory. There are tons of valid observations that support many of Darwin's conclusions but there is no smoking gun proof. This is why real scientists don't run around shooting their mouth off about an important observation as being proof. Religious kooks do stuff like that.

And it looks like I need to reiterate that I DO NOT APPROVE OF ANY RELIGION BEING TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS.

[kilgram]

I get the impression that you think theory is a proven fact. Why? Because your false religion is science, that's why. I understand science well enough to know that it is just a tool. A methodical process used to further our understanding about the natural universe. You seem to think it is much more of a deity of some kind by your own statements.

If you actually knew what theories there are floating around in the scientific community concerning gravity and what they propose you wouldn't make such an uniformed statement. The only thing we know for certain about gravity is that mass attracts mass. And it does so in what at first looked like an entirely predictable manner but has since been discovered to behave very differently in the cosmos than it does at the subatomic level. Right now great minds are hard at work trying to find an explanation for this anomaly. We have dark matter, hidden dimensions, and many other ideas being researched exhaustively.

And I do not have any issue with theories being discussed in the school setting. What I don't like is ignorant people such as yourself telling kids these theories are facts. Because that it is a complete lie. "Evolution is science of the highest rank" What? Are you supreme commander of the science army? Evolution is still a theory. There are tons of valid observations that support many of Darwin's conclusions but there is no smoking gun proof. This is why real scientists don't run around shooting their mouth off about an important observation as being proof. Religious kooks do stuff like that.

And it looks like I need to reiterate that I DO NOT APPROVE OF ANY RELIGION BEING TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS.

I ask you:

- Do you agree that the theory of gravity be taught in school or not?

And YES. A scientific theory is a fact.

What is your opinion about theory of relativity?

Scientific theories explain the reality. And they are based in objective data, that can be falseable. Religion is falseable? NO.

You confuse theory in the common language with theory in scientific language.

I don't have any religion. My values are based in pragmatism, reality and not fantasy. My values are based in contrasted information. Religion is good for literature and it should be its place. Fantasy literature.

Science make predictions as you mentioned. Can you make predictions with your $#@!ing religion? No!!! You cannot. Do you have any testable proofs? NO.

Well, I am happy to be Spanish... at least we don't have these problems with this kind of religious zealots.

Are you pretending to make me to believe that science is religion? Then... what the hell are you doing using a computer or Internet? Seriously, you are sick. You should go to the psychiatrist.

And the only ignorant here is you. The only one who does not know what mean a scientific theory.

As I told... scientific theories explain the reality and permit to predict events. With scientific theories I can calculate with exactity what will be the position of the ball that I threw in direction A with force X...

With your religious beliefs can you do any prediction? NO as I said. You are insulting the intelligence of everybody trying to say that science is a religion.

When science, when has new facts, change. Science is made by humans. We are not perfect. We make mistakes. And when we discover them, we correct them.

If some day with the data brings us to prove the existence of a creator, then I am going to admit that I was wrong. But for now, all the data indicates the opposite.

TO finish... if you don't approve that any religion be taught in schools, why do I have the sensation that you approve that should be taught creationism in schools?

[Polecat]

I ask you:

- Do you agree that the theory of gravity be taught in school or not?

There are a number of different theories concerning gravity. Not just one. I think they should all be discussed just in case there is a kid in the classroom that might be inspired to pursue this type of research.

And YES. A scientific theory is a fact.

No. Please look these terms up in a dictionary. I figure English is a second language for you so understanding my words my be difficult. Scientific theory was that the earth is flat and the sun went around the us. At the time it made sense and all observations backed it up. But it turned out to be wrong. This is the difference between theory and fact.

What is your opinion about theory of relativity?

A brilliant mathematical masterpiece of inspired genius. BUT! It is invalid at the event horizon of a black hole and in subatomic particle behavior. A work in progress.

Scientific theories explain the reality. And they are based in objective data, that can be falseable. Religion is falseable? NO.

Scientific theories ATTEMPT to explain reality. Yes they are based on observations and should they end up being verified beyond any doubt they are called a law of nature rather than a theory.

You confuse theory in the common language with theory in scientific language.

Sorry, but I think you are the one that is confused.

I don't have any religion. My values are based in pragmatism, reality and not fantasy. My values are based in contrasted information. Religion is good for literature and it should be its place. Fantasy literature.

Science make predictions as you mentioned. Can you make predictions with your $#@!ing religion? No!!! You cannot. Do you have any testable proofs? NO.

Well, I am happy to be Spanish... at least we don't have these problems with this kind of religious zealots.

Are you pretending to make me to believe that science is religion? Then... what the hell are you doing using a computer or Internet? Seriously, you are sick. You should go to the psychiatrist.

And the only ignorant here is you. The only one who does not know what mean a scientific theory.

As I told... scientific theories explain the reality and permit to predict events. With scientific theories I can calculate with exactity what will be the position of the ball that I threw in direction A with force X...