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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    They may have wealth but only government has power. Do we regulate wealth or regulate government?
    No offense, but that's blatantly false. Government is not the only entity that wields power.
    "Those who produce should have, but we know that those who produce the most — that is, those who work hardest, and at the most difficult and most menial tasks, have the least."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    No offense, but that's blatantly false. Government is not the only entity that wields power.
    Coercive power? Who has coercive power besides government and criminals, but I repeat myself.
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    Our government is nothing more than puppets to their masters.
    My beliefs are a distillation of what I was taught as a child and what I observe as an adult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets View Post
    Here's a thought, we should spend more time trying to find common ground with one another instead of digging our heels in to defend our positions. That's why that old expression is true: when ones mouth opens the ears slam shut!!!

    my two cents
    Nice image, but the reason why there won't be a joining of the members from both parties is simple: Some members (all of the democrats) are pushing an anti American collectivist, socialist-leaning agenda, and the other (the Republicans) believe it is our job to allow freedom to work for everyone where there is no government master involved. There is no functional compromise between freedom and socialism. When you hear a bill passed with "bipartisan support," you can bet your bottom (highly taxed) dollar it expanded the role of government in some of your life.

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    Yes. We the People the puppetmasters. It was designed that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    It really is true. I see some of the older folks insist the parties offer genuine alternatives (e.g. nic, midcan, bob) and that may reflect their experience of a time when the ideological opposition between them was more substantial but I don't see it now.
    My only major point on this issue is that there is a lot of guessing going on as to what it would be like if only some third party was the president. First, you start with congress. Taking the presidency is a tall order when democrats and republicans run the system.

    I call that tilting at windmills.

    First, no third party is able to cure anything.

    While this is my opinion, it seems to me that it is really self evident and it takes a blind person unwilling to study this country's political system to assume some third party can prevail. They will tell me what happened in the early 1800's as if that is relevant today.

    Look ... to me this is sort of like you have a car and the engine has problems.

    Do you fix the car or swap cars?

    Changing cars is not the same thing but you hopefully will get the idea. I think it is easier to repair the republican party than to convert Democrats to republicans or conversely try to put in some untried third party hoping things will change.

    I don't believe any third party has sufficient ability to govern for the major reason they would now be in charge if they had the ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    Yes. We the People the puppetmasters. It was designed that way.
    We are the puppetslaves.
    Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Coercive power? Who has coercive power besides government and criminals, but I repeat myself.
    Everyone has coercive power. It's not like it's some ultra-special power that is extremely hard to get.
    "Those who produce should have, but we know that those who produce the most — that is, those who work hardest, and at the most difficult and most menial tasks, have the least."
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    To further explain my ideology, what if we are all watching some huge game being played.

    Are we currently concerned that we do not like the rules of the game? Can it be we don't like the players? Can it be we think they lack ability? We are not happy or we all would be telling each other how great things are.

    I am accused of not being pro freedom merely because i see things from a different slant that most seem to see things.

    I lauded the two wars in the ME that Bush waged over one issue. Not over WMD, but freedom. I do value freedom.

    Would I have waged those wars? Absolutely not. I only realize they happened. I could like them or hate them but the two wars stand as an event that happened. It does me no good to scream bad things about the two wars. I put both into the same basket since the troops were only fighting and the politics was out of their hands. They could fight a just war or an unjust war. It did not matter since they still fought wars.

    Anybody want to sound off? I have a hell of a lot more but let's start here.

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    Originally Posted by Green Arrow
    No offense, but that's blatantly false. Government is not the only entity that wields power.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Coercive power? Who has coercive power besides government and criminals, but I repeat myself.
    Chris is 100 percent correct and Green Arrow who replied after this is not correct.

    It has nothing to do with who each are.

    Chris is correct because Government does have absolute power. Criminals have less, and it extends to only those subjected to their crime. It really is not worth bringing up Crime.


    I have many times proven that the Government daily codifies more and more laws.

    I see this in a similar way to a spider weaving webs. Webs catch things. Regulations do the same thing. They can't prevent a thing, they are there to punish. We can check the prison and jail population for proof. This country leads the world in per capita convicts.

    We may think our protest changes government, but ask Code Pink. If things change in DC, they generally change at a snails pace. We noted how the ACA was rushed through despite the majority of citizens demanding it stop. Telling Congress to stop not only did not work, it still is not working. When the majority tell Congress do not pass the ACA, one might think the citizens had real power had it stopped Congress.

    Power is not in the hands of the public. It is in DC and lesser in States.

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