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Thread: It's official, Jimmy Carter is no longer the worst President

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    Agreed, but you can at least blame Nixon for getting us off the gold standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Had he not caused the Shah to moderate the Savak, there would have been no Islamic Revolution. History would be completely different - all Shiite terror since 1979 would not have occurred. Israel would not have had to deal with Hezbollah. Lebanon would not have collapsed.

    Not sure what, if any affect this alternative history would have on extreme Sunni movements.

    But Carter was the sovereign of a super power. He wasn't the recognized leader of a back-woods commune. His actions directly caused Iran to fall to Shiite extremism.
    I don't know Peter. Our actions in the ME generate hated towards us. I think the CIA got exactly what they wanted in Iran in 79

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    I don't know Peter. Our actions in the ME generate hated towards us. I think the CIA got exactly what they wanted in Iran in 79
    I would guess the CIA was disgusted with Carter's actions regarding Iran.
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    They got public support for aggression . Do you not think this was there goal? Is it true that despite being there in the middle of the pending revolution our super spies couldn't see said revolution in time to get our citizens out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolWatch View Post
    the final count isn't in on the bushobama presidency...we have had the same presidency for 14 years & counting....
    I'd say more like 25 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    The Lebanese, not Iranians.
    Huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nic34 View Post
    I'd say more like 25 years.
    Well at least Clinton could balance a budget, not to mention a bed sheet

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    They got public support for aggression . Do you not think this was there goal? Is it true that despite being there in the middle of the pending revolution our super spies couldn't see said revolution in time to get our citizens out?
    The Savak handled the dissidents very well. Carter forced the Shah to rein the Savak in. The revolution followed....
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