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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Can you show us the local laws concerning that, or are you just making it up?

    A private business should be free to decide whom it serves. Serving the public does not give up their right privacy.
    Privately-owned/operated businesses and buildings. Privately-owned businesses and facilities that offer certain goods or services to the public -- including food, lodging, gasoline, and entertainment -- are considered public accommodations for purposes of federal and state anti-discrimination laws. For purposes of disability discrimination, the definition of a "public accommodation" is even more broad, encompassing most businesses that are open to the public (regardless of type). - See more at: http://civilrights.findlaw.com/enfor....qEBmS9fF.dpuf
    http://civilrights.findlaw.com/enfor...modations.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Can you show us the local laws concerning that, or are you just making it up?

    A private business should be free to decide whom it serves. Serving the public does not give up their right privacy.
    http://media.spokesman.com/documents...6/2720_001.pdf

    there's the law

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    Quote Originally Posted by del View Post
    Thanks.

    So it's coercive and not a free choice, iow, in order to operate a private business you are forced to follow what others want.
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    That's federal law. Does the Constitution grant the government such power to control private lives?
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    Quote Originally Posted by del View Post
    Ruh-roh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    That's federal law. Does the Constitution grant the government such power to control private lives?
    From the same site....

    There are also state laws that broadly prohibit discrimination on the bases of race, color, religion, and national origin in places of public accommodation. To determine whether your state has such a law, you should contact your state or local human rights agency, your state attorney general's office, or speak to a Civil Rights attorney in your area. - See more at: http://civilrights.findlaw.com/enfor....FWL2BSXY.dpuf
    Does the state government have such power to control private lives?

    The key point is this, you don't like "insert group of your choosing" then don't open a business that is "for profit" to the public. Hate all you want in your private life, but when tax dollars may go to your business to "subsidize" it, and those people pay taxes, then what gives you the right to discriminate against a lawful customer?

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    @del, the city ordinance pertains to businesses and specifically excludes religious groups and institutions.
    @Safety, your summary of federal law pertains to businesses not religious groups or institutions.

    Let's remember, this issue is over whether ordained pastors must perform a marriage ceremony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Thanks.

    So it's coercive and not a free choice, iow, in order to operate a private business you are forced to follow what others want.
    yeah, it's the end of the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    From the same site....



    Does the state government have such power to control private lives?

    The key point is this, you don't like "insert group of your choosing" then don't open a business that is "for profit" to the public. Hate all you want in your private life, but when tax dollars may go to your business to "subsidize" it, and those people pay taxes, then what gives you the right to discriminate against a lawful customer?


    Does the state have the power? Only if the people grant it such powers. But even if the people so grant it, that does not make it right.


    Your BS about my likes and hates is flat out rejected. Apparently you can't argue your point rationally but must raise the white flag of ad hom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    @del, the city ordinance pertains to businesses and specifically excludes religious groups and institutions.
    @Safety, your summary of federal law pertains to businesses not religious groups or institutions.

    Let's remember, this issue is over whether ordained pastors must perform a marriage ceremony.
    take it up with the city attorney- he's the one that said a for-profit wedding chapel falls under the law, not me

    they'll probably prevail in court although i think they're legit ordained ministers in the sense that i'm the cardinal-archbishop of prague.

    International Church of the Foursquare Gospel, yeah, right lol

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