Seal hunting: Adelaide vs. Chloe

[Bob]

Pierre Clastres' Society Against the State goes into detail about Geronimo. From Western tales he was a great chief rebelling against the white man, no? In reality he rebelled against the Apache and their traditional ways and they rejected him as they would anyone who tried to take authoritarian control of them. Geronimo had gained much prestige in leading them in revenge against Mexicans, and he tried to use that to take them on the warpath. "In vain. Its collective goal--revenge--having been reached, the Apache society yearned for rest. ...the Apaches chose not to follow Geronimo....would regularly turn their backs on him whenever he wanted to wage his personal war. Geronimo, the last of the great North American war chiefs, who spent thirty years of his life trying to "play the chief," and never succeeded." (pages 211-12)

Walk away from what you learned in government schools.

Sitting Bull did what to an American General?

[Chris]

Sitting Bull did what to an American General?

Earlier I related to polwatch how pirates were organized similar to tribes, creating constitutions, electing captains, who would indeed lead them into battle, but otherwise other times had no authority, just like Geronimo, just like Sitting Bull. Ignore my answers if you wish.

See Peter T. Leeson's The Invisible Hook: The Hidden Economics of Pirates.

[del]

Sitting Bull did what to an American General?

cut off his dorsal fin

[Bob]

Originally Posted by Bob
Sitting Bull did what to an American General?

cut off his dorsal fin

Don't pull that crap on me.

I bent over laughing so hard I was trying to catch my breath.

My health is important so stop making me laugh.

Kidding, keep kerrying on.

Copied from Mat.

[IMPress Polly]

Peter wrote:
How about different views on feminism.

Alyosha and I have already pretty well fleshed out our similarities and differences on feminism in the abstract, I think, so if we were to pick something related to gender issues, we might then want to pick something fairly specific. For example, I was thinking of maybe at some point debating one of our other feminists here* on the role of girls and women in Disney films, as I actually think a lot of feminists focus their attention on criticizing Disney too much because modern Disney is actually among the most feminist of all the major movie companies (save perhaps for Lion's Gate). I'm in the mood to offer a critical defense of the Disney princesses, both old and new (but especially new) if only to refocus us on criticizing companies that are doing much worse!

* In my mind, the "other feminists here" include (for the girls) Adelaide, PolWatch, Chloe, Amazon, and Alyosha, and (for the guys) Green Arrow, KC, Codename Section, and The Xl. (My definition of "feminist" excludes those who deny the existence of patriarchy.) I'd be up for debating any of them on the referenced subject. Any takers?

Alyosha wrote:
The existence and necessity of the state?

Or since Ethereal is a wussy, we can do evidence of the supernatural.

Wait, the EXISTENCE of the state is in question?

Seriously though, the state sounds like a good topic, if by the state you mean the same thing I do anyway (police, military, courts, prisons). We have some things in common in this area to fall back on (like a belief that the state can and should at least ultimately be abolished), so we wouldn't have to debate the basics of whether the instruments of the state are fundamentally good or bad, and those parameters would help make it a productive debate, methinks. By contrast, "the supernatural" might not be a very productive debate, as, coming from the negative standpoint on that issue, I wouldn't really have to say anything other than "I see no evidence" to make my case. The entire burden of proof would lie with you. Not much to debate there that I can see.

Anyway, I should mention that we should delay any debate until next week, as I'm going to be swamped this week (I'm doing the planning for a birthday party that happens to also fall on Halloween in my fairly minimal spare time) and this weekend I'll only be on briefly and will be focused on posting my official election prediction. Next week I'll probably have several decent opportunities in the early mornings to debate though.

[IMPress Polly]

Alyosha:

It would be possible for me to begin participating o any such debate I think in the early morning hours of next Thursday the 6th, so if you wanted to post the topic on say Wednesday the 5th, that might get us off to a running start...just as a suggestion!

[Alyosha]

Alyosha:

It would be possible for me to begin participating o any such debate I think in the early morning hours of next Thursday the 6th, so if you wanted to post the topic on say Wednesday the 5th, that might get us off to a running start...just as a suggestion!

@IMPress Polly

sounds good still don't know what to debate, maybe social engineering in gaming?

[Mister D]

@IMPress Polly

sounds good still don't know what to debate, maybe social engineering in gaming?

A little esoteric?

[IMPress Polly]

Alyosha wrote:
sounds good still don't know what to debate, maybe social engineering in gaming?

Oh, in the post before that one I said the state would be fine, but I also like social engineering in gaming. Whichever one you prefer I'm good with because the gaming world is kind of my forte.

[Mister D]

Ladies, the state please. Thank you.