Seal hunting: Adelaide vs. Chloe

[Adelaide]

I am not kidding. I don't know if the shark dies over that sort of an injury. Surely sharks lose fins to other denizens of the sea.

It is not an approval to cut off shark fins on my part.

Think of it like a boat. What happens when you loose the rudder?

[Bob]

It's a serious response. Sharks don't have first aid, Bob. Cutting off any part of it could be potentially deadly. The fin especially. Fins on fish aren't just for show, they provide necessary functions to the livelihood of the fish.

It was your question that was silly.

Your question had nothing to do with fins. It was about heads.

That makes your response very silly.

More than the first time since you defend your silly question.

Per NOAA, sharks that lost the fin are known to survive.

[Green Arrow]

Your question had nothing to do with fins. It was about heads.

That makes your response very silly.

More than the first time since you defend your silly question.

It's a rhetorical device called a - oh, what the $#@!, forget it. Not gonna spend five pages explaining rhetorical devices to you. Point being, it was a legitimate reference to show how silly your question was.

[Chloe]

I am not kidding. I don't know if the shark dies over that sort of an injury. Surely sharks lose fins to other denizens of the sea.

It is not an approval to cut off shark fins on my part.

I don't like moving off the seals but since sharks were brought into it, let's see what NOAA says.

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/stories/201...thbusters.html

NOAA mentions that sharks can survive with the fin gone. It says most do die. I am not clear how they know that.

Please research shark finning and find out exactly what we are talking about Bob

Also it clearly says on the very link that you provided that in almost all circumstances the shark dies after they have had their fins cut off so i'm not sure why you chose to make it sound more promising than the link said. The rare circumstance is probably when only a small portion of one fin is cut or damaged, or if it is somehow brought into captivity for treatment, and even then it is still probably a struggle and leads to death.

[Chloe]

Your question had nothing to do with fins. It was about heads.

That makes your response very silly.

More than the first time since you defend your silly question.

Per NOAA, sharks that lost the fin are known to survive.

That is not what the link said. You are inferring that based on the word "almost". Short of saying 100% of sharks die from finning it was pretty clear on their site that cutting a sharks fins off results in death. Also I wouldn't just lean on NOAA's assessments either. Research it and look at multiple sources. Shark finning is cruel, needless, wasteful, and kills millions of sharks every year which in turn harms ecosystems.

[Bob]

Think of it like a boat. What happens when you loose the rudder?

That makes sense until you read what NOAA says on this issue.

I posted from NOAA things about sharks that is pure myth.

But I believe the fin being cut off is the top fin. I am no expert on this at all, but what I know of them is the body movement provides both propulsion and steering. The fins on the sides are not cut off from what I am reading. The top fin is removed. As a non expert, if the shark dies, it seems it might lose fluids but I am not sure.

[Bob]

That is not what the link said. You are inferring that based on the word "almost". Short of saying 100% of sharks die from finning it was pretty clear on their site that cutting a sharks fins off results in death. Also I wouldn't just lean on NOAA's assessments either. Research it and look at multiple sources. Shark finning is cruel, needless, wasteful, and kills millions of sharks every year which in turn harms ecosystems.

Correct but it means there is doubt they die. Did you see NOAA cite any study?

Per NOAA sharks are very plentiful and not in short supply.

[Chloe]

That makes sense until you read what NOAA says on this issue.

I posted from NOAA things about sharks that is pure myth.

But I believe the fin being cut off is the top fin. I am no expert on this at all, but what I know of them is the body movement provides both propulsion and steering. The fins on the sides are not cut off from what I am reading. The top fin is removed. As a non expert, if the shark dies, it seems it might lose fluids but I am not sure.

Below the section that read MYTH there was a follow up that said FACT, and the FACT portion clearly stated that under nearly all circumstances the shark dies. Where are you seeing the ambiguity and why are you making guesses without researching it just a little bit more? Just research it beyond that one NOAA website please.

[Adelaide]

Your question had nothing to do with fins. It was about heads.

That makes your response very silly.

More than the first time since you defend your silly question.

Per NOAA, sharks that lost the fin are known to survive.

You know, more probably could manage to survive without a fin but do you think those people taking the fins are really at all concerned with whether the shark will live?

[Chloe]

Correct but it means there is doubt they die. Did you see NOAA cite any study?

Per NOAA sharks are very plentiful and not in short supply.

They are not the end all be all of shark research and shark future. You are basing an entire belief and argument on one website page.