Shark fins

[Bob]

Thanks Common for the list of restaurants selling the banned shark fin soup and those selling it legally.

Did you notice they offered Chinese cuisine?

[Bob]

Say Posters, @Common Sense kindly posted a map where you can go to get Shark Fin soup.

I am sure all sharks appreciate his efforts to market said soup.

[Common Sense]

Thanks Common for the list of restaurants selling the banned shark fin soup and those selling it legally.

Did you notice they offered Chinese cuisine?

Yes, it's a Chinese dish. Did you expect to see it in Italian restaurants?

[Common Sense]

Say Posters, @Common Sense kindly posted a map where you can go to get Shark Fin soup.

I am sure all sharks appreciate his efforts to market said soup.

Yes, that's what I was doing.

[Bob]

Yes, it's a Chinese dish. Did you expect to see it in Italian restaurants?

Yes, exactly what i expected.

[Chloe]

@Bob, what exactly is your stance on this topic because you seem to be all over the place in my opinion and it's hard to actually know what it is that we are discussing. You acknowledge that shark finning is wrong, so that's good, but I see that you are still unsure if all sharks end up dying from having their dorsal fins cut off. I also see that since you read it is primarily Asian markets that are the main offenders that it's not our problem, is that right?

A few things then...

i dont think you will truly understand this topic unless you understand the role of sharks in the ocean and their importance. If you truly understood that then you would realize that a reduction of sharks in the oceans is a world problem because it will ultimately affect nearly all countries that rely on healthy oceans. I also don't think you'll ever understand the practice of shark finning and it's impact on sharks unless you leave the NOAA site and visit the websites truly dedicated to the issue, the ones that you consider biased. Keep in mind that even NOAA has bias.

You are confusing me because you clearly do not understand aspects of this topic but then on the other hand you try to give the impression that you are becoming an expert because you read a web page. This issue is so much bigger than a sentence or two that you agree with or a list of restaurants.

[Common Sense]

@Bob, what exactly is your stance on this topic because you seem to be all over the place in my opinion and it's hard to actually know what it is that we are discussing. You acknowledge that shark finning is wrong, so that's good, but I see that you are still unsure if all sharks end up dying from having their dorsal fins cut off. I also see that since you read it is primarily Asian markets that are the main offenders that it's not our problem, is that right?

A few things then...

i dont think you will truly understand this topic unless you understand the role of sharks in the ocean and their importance. If you truly understood that then you would realize that a reduction of sharks in the oceans is a world problem because it will ultimately affect nearly all countries that rely on healthy oceans. I also don't think you'll ever understand the practice of shark finning and it's impact on sharks unless you leave the NOAA site and visit the websites truly dedicated to the issue, the ones that you consider biased. Keep in mind that even NOAA has bias.

You are confusing me because you clearly do not understand aspects of this topic but then on the other hand you try to give the impression that you are becoming an expert because you read a web page. This issue is so much bigger than a sentence or two that you agree with or a list of restaurants.

I really have no idea what his stance is or why he even started the thread.

[Mister D]

I still am hunting for factual data to find out who cuts off fins and what sharks they cut them from.

Did you read my sites I posted from?

I am not clear why farms are not established.

I am still hunting for any culprits to blame. I don't believe it is Americans to blame.

Unlike Chloe, who moans about this @Chloe may think she has a role in this no matter which country does it.

i can't see how America can rule the world and still be there for we citizens.

It would remind me of some China man blaming somebody in his country if Americans decided to kill off the alligators.

She is talking to an American audience and i don't want to be blamed for sharks fins being cut off.

You can't farm sharks, bob.

[Bob]

@Bob, what exactly is your stance on this topic because you seem to be all over the place in my opinion and it's hard to actually know what it is that we are discussing. You acknowledge that shark finning is wrong, so that's good, but I see that you are still unsure if all sharks end up dying from having their dorsal fins cut off. I also see that since you read it is primarily Asian markets that are the main offenders that it's not our problem, is that right?

A few things then...

i dont think you will truly understand this topic unless you understand the role of sharks in the ocean and their importance. If you truly understood that then you would realize that a reduction of sharks in the oceans is a world problem because it will ultimately affect nearly all countries that rely on healthy oceans. I also don't think you'll ever understand the practice of shark finning and it's impact on sharks unless you leave the NOAA site and visit the websites truly dedicated to the issue, the ones that you consider biased. Keep in mind that even NOAA has bias.

You are confusing me because you clearly do not understand aspects of this topic but then on the other hand you try to give the impression that you are becoming an expert because you read a web page. This issue is so much bigger than a sentence or two that you agree with or a list of restaurants.

No, your personal understanding of my view is all over the map. I know it because you claim my steady view is all over the map.

I apologize since no matter how hard I work to make my view known, you want it misrepresented.

Let's take your points by point to see if I can fix it so you don't misrepresent me.

Wrong is a view. It is a value system. Right is also.

I don't like any animal treated as sharks get treated. I am pretty sure by now that the Chinese are wrong by calling them medicine.

I definitely am not sure if sharks die from having the dorsal fin cut off. I know sea turtles survive losing a foot.

If that is our major issue, maybe you can help me find real proof they die or do not die. That would be a great help.

After reading NOAA they cast doubt by not saying all die.

If one removes the shark head, or cuts off the gills, clearly they die. I feel we discussed the purpose of fins and see no problem there.

If you stopped assuming my points are not understood then acting like you do understand them, I can clear up your problems.

i am not acting like an expert. You wanted me to seek sound scientific proof and that has been my effort.
@Chloe, This is not rocket science.

What was my sole major point in the beginning?

That i am not certain sharks die when you cut off that one fin.

Maybe they cut off all the fins and if that is the case, it clearly has a huge impact on how sharks control swimming.

I don't know if it is the one fin or all of them.

I will go so far as to lay the blame on Chinese. Even when the restaurants were posted by Common Sense, clearly they appear to offer Chinese cuisine.

So, are you fighting our Chinese in America?

It is not me because I have never eaten shark fin. I have had shark steaks. But I assume to you that is wrong as well. I am sorry if that offended you but it is just a fact. I don't typically eat shark but I do eat fish. I expect that to you that is wrong as well.

I can't live live to please you though can I?

You might do things I don't approve but i don't expect you to change to suit me.

It sort of offends me that you do not believe I understand the role sharks play in the oceans.

Didn't you read the list of endangered sharks i provided?

Give Common Sense full credit for advertising our restaurants that serve shark fin soup. I am sure if posters need addresses, his providing them helps them locate such restaurants.

[Bob]

You can't farm sharks, bob.

If they can be kept at aquariums, why not?

I saw some at the Monterrey, CA Aquarium.

I think somebody else wanted to know about Farms. I just don't know.