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Thread: The State: Polly vs. Alyosha

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    Was there any point in verbalizing your opinion that it was not a debate?

    Trying to make them feel good about themselves?

    What is that term that I am thinking of..., oh, social autism....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Was there any point in verbalizing your opinion that it was not a debate?

    Trying to make them feel good about themselves?

    What is that term that I am thinking of..., oh, social autism....
    Did you have a point, peter? No, I didn't think so.

    As I said, I found their discussion of interest, just wasn't a debate.
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    It did seem to wind up in fairly semantic territory, I agree. A lot more semantic than I thought it would be anyway. It was also very useful for me though in getting to know Alyosha's position a lot better (namely how much more we have in common politically than I thought), even if we can't totally agree on vision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    It did seem to wind up in fairly semantic territory, I agree. A lot more semantic than I thought it would be anyway. It was also very useful for me though in getting to know Alyosha's position a lot better (namely how much more we have in common politically than I thought), even if we can't totally agree on vision.
    Yes, you seemed to be looking for a topic to debate, but despite not really finding one, like I said, it was an interesting discussion. Perhaps your visions what to do once the state is eliminated would make a good debate topic, your discussion started heading in that direction.
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    I think (unless directly invited by someone) my next one-on-one debate might be with Chloe over the question of transition forms of energy between here and a world that's able to rely solely on clean renewables. I have developed a pro-nuclear stance in the last year that I'd be up for advancing against someone else who is at least as serious and definitely more knowledgeable in an overall sense on ecological issues, and Chloe's the first person who comes to mind in that connection. It would be my instinctive guess, based on my experience in the environmental movement, that Chloe, representing sort of the advance guard thereof, would probably embrace a more puritanical position on the matter, insisting that society should dedicate itself in a single-minded way to the development of things like wind and solar power, where I'd be contending that that by itself is not sufficient to meet human needs or address global warming in an adequately timely manner. That kind of thing. And I know she can carry on a civilized debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Did you have a point, peter? No, I didn't think so.

    As I said, I found their discussion of interest, just wasn't a debate.
    I made my point. Whether it went over your head or not doesn't concern me in the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I made my point. Whether it went over your head or not doesn't concern me in the least.
    You then seem to be the one with the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    You then seem to be the one with the issue.

    I completely understand your reaction. I know you don't have a problem with making dickishh statement. You don't know that they are dickish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I completely understand your reaction. I know you don't have a problem with making dickishh statement. You don't know that they are dickish.
    Yes, normally I ignore such from you, peter.

    Oddly, polly understood what I was saying, we discussed it, and she thanked me.

    It's your reaction sticks out.
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    I'd love to debate someone whom I consider a worthy adversary. Though he oft seems content to play the fool on here, I'd love to debate @Animal Mother. Alyosha I would debate but it would have to be on something positively foolish as I think at our core most of our ideologies would meet in principle though not in practical.

    This is why, no offence, @IMPress Polly you won't be able to have a sparking debate with Chloe, either. In principle you agree, though not in practice.

    Alyosha or yourself ought to have debated someone who actually believes in the necessity of the state, someone like del or matalese or sachem.

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