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    Why “Progressive” Is Anything But

    Progressives are essentially anyone who thinks they know better how society should be and would use central planning to coerce it. As such many on the right are progressive.

    Why “Progressive” Is Anything But

    In a recent Wall Street Journal article on June 30, 2014, conservative theorist and researcher Charles Murray of the American Enterprise Institute writes:

    “Wait, doesn’t ‘progressive’ today reflect the spirit of the Progressive Era a century ago, when the country benefited from the righteous efforts of muckrakers and others who fought big-city political bosses, attacked business monopolies and promoted Good Government? The era was partly about that. But philosophically, the progressive movement at the turn of the 20th century had roots in German philosophy (Hegel and Nietzsche were big favorites) and German public administration (Woodrow Wilson’s open reverence for Bismarck was typical among progressives). To simplify, progressive intellectuals were passionate advocates of rule by disinterested experts led by a strong unifying leader. They were in favor of using the state to mold social institutions in the interests of the collective. They thought that individualism and the Constitution were both outmoded. That’s not a description that Woodrow Wilson or the other leading progressive intellectuals would have argued with. They openly said it themselves. It is that core philosophy extolling the urge to mold society that still animates progressives today — a mind-set that produces the shutdown of debate and growing intolerance that we are witnessing in today’s America. Such thinking on the left also is behind the rationales for indulging President Obama in his anti-Constitutional use of executive power. If you want substantiation for what I’m saying, read Jonah Goldberg’s 2008 book “Liberal Fascism,” an erudite and closely argued exposition of American progressivism and its subsequent effects on liberalism. The title is all too accurate.

    Murray is right. The progressive movement, as envisioned by Woodrow Wilson and other intellectuals of the time, has reached full fruition in today’s post-modern leftist establishment. Barack Obama is their man. But regardless, their time had come. And Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren and others stand ready to carry it on, and move it “forward.”

    Perhaps the greatest irony about the term “progressive” is that Thomas Jefferson, a century before Woodrow Wilson and two centuries before Obama, wrote the following in a letter to Edward Carrington, in 1788: “The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground.”

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    Hope and change? Not until we start to define “progress” differently. This is why Obama’s presidency, like all the others, has failed miserably. It need not be so, and it need never have been so. So long as man can think, he can change his ideas and his policies and practices. Not a moment sooner.
    Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler

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    I agree with alot of that
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    Progressivism is rooted in imperialism and socialism, but it's also rooted in a centralizing belief much older than one might believe. This is the belief of post-millennialism. The idea that all social evils can and must be eradicated through reform on a massive scale - state innovation.

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/194890049...lism-Fall-2013

    Before there was fascism in Europe there was progressivism in America and before that Anglo-American post-millenialism.

    Most ideologies are repackaging of $#@!ty ideas from before.

    Progressivism = Post-millenialism + imperialism + socialism
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    Popper, in The Open Society and its Enemies, traces the Hegelian roots of Progressivism back to the Spell of Plato who by mere analogy associated the individual with selfishness and the collective with altruism, when the opposite is closer to the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Good. The rich should have lots of kids. The poor should have much fewer. Go Romney!
    Liberals like William Godwin were progressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kilgram View Post
    Liberals like William Godwin were progressive.

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    William Godwin: Communist or Individualist? The answer depends on whether you read his early or late work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    William Godwin: Communist or Individualist? The answer depends on whether you read his early or late work.
    He is individualist. Founder of it.

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    Cool

    Progressive is NOT BLOCKING Governing for 6 Years!

    All I hear is Mitchy and his Little Boner saying, IF Obama pushes thru immigration reform - forget it, we will not work with him. Ever Again, as if they ever did work with Obama.

    If the GOP tries to take away healthcare from 10 Million people then there is NO chance Progressives are going to work with them.

    The Democrats should BLOCK ANY GOP legislation in the Senate JUST AS THEY HAVE DONE TO Democrats FOR THE LAST 6 YEARS.

    The President should issue an Executive Order on Immigration Reform TOMORROW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kilgram View Post
    He is individualist. Founder of it.

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    Who turned communist.
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    Definition of progressives?
    those who wish to understand the ongoing culture war must first have some understanding of the Gramscian concept of the "long march through the institutions." The process described by Walzer, in which the cultural and bureaucratic organs of our society have fallen under the influence of "progressive" forces devoted to transforming our nation, is derived directly from Gramsci’s blueprint for Marxist subversion. Gramsci’s distinctive insight, as we will shortly see, was that the construction of the total state requires the seizure of the "mediating institutions" that insulate the individual from the power of the government — the family, organized religion, and so forth — and a systematic redefinition of the culture in order to sustain the new political order.


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