Senate Torture Report

[Ethereal]

We didn't torture anyone, so it's a moot point.

Then why was the CIA employing legally dubious methods to keep the report from coming out? I mean, if they did nothing wrong, then they should welcome the report.

[NapRover]

Then why was the CIA employing legally dubious methods to keep the report from coming out? I mean, if they did nothing wrong, then they should welcome the report.

Keep it secret. Why fan the flames? I still think the leakers of abu ghraib crap should executed!

[Ethereal]

Keep it secret. Why fan the flames?

Because people have a right to know what the government is doing in their name, obviously.

[resister]

Because people have a right to know what the government is doing in their name, obviously.

Not when it comes to classified matters.

[NapRover]

Because people have a right to know what the government is doing in their name, obviously.

I don't believe that. Nor does the government, why else would they classify things?

[Ethereal]

Not when it comes to classified matters.

The presupposes that everything the government keeps secret is worthy of such classification. In reality, we see that the government tends to rampantly over-classify information in an attempt to hide essential truths from the American people.

[Ethereal]

I don't believe that. Nor does the government, why else would they classify things?

To keep their nefarious activities a secret from the American people.

[resister]

The presupposes that everything the government keeps secret is worthy of such classification. In reality, we see that the government tends to rampantly over-classify information in an attempt to hide essential truths from the American people.

That is true, be that as it may, we have no right to be kept abreast of legitimately classified, national security matters. Nor do I desire to know!

[Ethereal]

That is true, be that as it may, we have no right to be kept abreast of legitimately classified, national security matters. Nor do I desire to know!

Secret torture programs are not an example of legitimate classification. Americans have a right to know if the US government is operating a worldwide torture regime. And the Senate committee that investigated this matter was not revealing anything that was subject to classification, so it's a moot point.

[Crepitus]

It is said that a tortured person will tell you something, anything. It doesn't have to be true unless you pretty much already know the answer so you cannot be fooled. In that case there was no reason to torture to begin with.
I think the unwarranted invasion of Iraq based in part on information collected via water boarding was the ultimate statement on that. But then again psychopath's need jobs too.

That's not how it works. You don't just turn the thumbscrews until the bad guy screams out the location of the bomb. This isn't "24" and that never works.

Interrogation is time consuming, you need background, time, and resources to verify the information you've recieved, a second connected subject is helpful for that too. You need a team, including medical personnel and equipment, an isolated location, security, and of course someone to administer the "duress". These cia interrogations aren't happening in the basement of their office, they are decent sized operations.

As far as torture not working thats bull$#@!. Properly done you can get anything the subject knows.